The Faberge Ortinos

[tatianolishka_1]

Ok, now that I have read through everything I can, this is what we know so far:

1. There are only TWO Faberge Ortinos known to exist. They are in the Cleveland Museum and the Hermitage. The question: How could there be one in the Kremlin in Moscow?

2. They were made of Rock Crystal and precious jewels and was made by Faberge for Tatiana.

3. A) It is unsure wether they were modeled after Ortino or not.
    B) If they were, they would have only have been made before 1915-16. After that, materials were hard to come by to make them.


So the questions are: Were they modeled after Ortino? When did she receive them? Where exactly are the two remaining Ortinos? How did she receive them (or Who gave them to her)?

[grandduchess_42]

maybe she got them for graduating nurse training

or her birthday

but... i don't think they were modeled after ortino... when did she start liking the type of Dog?

[aussiechick12]

I'm looking for some pictures of Tatiana with Ortino, I have the one with Tatiana, Ortino and Anastasia, but are there any others?

[Sarushka]

Here's what I've got:





Now, does anyone have photos of Ortino that were NOT taken during the family's arrest at the Alexander Palace?

[grandduchess_42]

hmm i've never seen one before the arrest

when did she get him again?
i don't hink there are anymore of him

[Sarushka]

when did she get him again?

Wasn't he a gift from Anya Vyrubova in 1915? (Or was that Anastasia's Jemmy?) I'm sure an imperial pet-expert can help us out.

[tatianolishka_1]

Ortino was a gift from Tatiana's friend Dimitri Malama in 1914. Now, when I read one of the letters that either Alexandra or Tatiana wrote, she mentions that Ortino had died. So Dimitri got her another dog (Ortino II) which is the one in the photographs. Jemmy was a gift to Tatiana from Anna Vyrubova in 1915, but she already had Ortino so she let Anastasia play with her (It's been discussed that Ortino was a she). So Jemmy was kind of the family pet, but Anastasia loved him best.

[mitia]

It seems there is a little doubt about the date of the most famous and well known photo showing Ortino, the one where Ortino is sitting on Tatiana 's knees with Anastasia sitting very next to Tatiana. Sure the photo must have been taken on the grounds of Tsarkoie Seloe park but in some books it is dated spring 1915 ( thus before the Tzar's abdication ) and in many other books it is dated april 1916 shortly after Nicholas II 's abdication.
Maybe BEAR, who knows so much about the whole imperial menagerie, has the exact date ?

[grandduchess_42]

Ortino was a gift from Tatiana's friend Dimitri Malama in 1914. Now, when I read one of the letters that either Alexandra or Tatiana wrote, she mentions that Ortino had died. So Dimitri got her another dog (Ortino II) which is the one in the photographs. Jemmy was a gift to Tatiana from Anna Vyrubova in 1915, but she already had Ortino so she let Anastasia play with her (It's been discussed that Ortino was a she). So Jemmy was kind of the family pet, but Anastasia loved him best.

oh ok!
thank you so much!

so there were two ortinos.. and the first one, there wasn't a picture taken of her?

[aussiechick12]

Ortino was a gift from Tatiana's friend Dimitri Malama in 1914. Now, when I read one of the letters that either Alexandra or Tatiana wrote, she mentions that Ortino had died. So Dimitri got her another dog (Ortino II) which is the one in the photographs. Jemmy was a gift to Tatiana from Anna Vyrubova in 1915, but she already had Ortino so she let Anastasia play with her (It's been discussed that Ortino was a she). So Jemmy was kind of the family pet, but Anastasia loved him best.

Do you have the letter saying that Ortino died?

Thanks for the photo's Sarushka!

[AGRBear]

Bob-

Here's a question I haven't yet figured out:

Ortino was given to Tatiana in 1914 by Dimitri Malama.  She wrote to her mother: “Forgive me about the little dog.  To say the truth, when he asked should I like to have it if he gave it me, I at once said yes.  You remember I always wanted to have one, and only afterwards when we came home I thought that suddenly you might not like me having one."(TN to AF 30 September 1914)

But Ortino seems to have lived for less than a year; Alexandra noted his death in a cable to Nicholas on 5 September 1915.(AF to N, 5 September 1915)  When Dimitri Malama learnt of this, he apparently arranged for another English Bulldog to be delivered to Tatiana; she promptly named him Ortino as well.  I've never seen any reference to two different dogs given the same name, but if you look at the family’s correspondence it seems that this is exactly what happened.  See AF to N, 28 November, 1915; and AF to N, 17 March 1916.

Do you know any more about this?  It's odd-like Lisa Simpson and "Snowball" and "Snowball II."

Greg King

As to the date of the  photo,  I'm no longer sure.  I thought it was 1917  so I'll have to track  down the photo itself and see what the date really was.

AGRBear

[AGRBear]

THE ROMANOVS by  Bokhanov, Knodt, Oustimenko, Peregudova and Tyutyunnik p. 297 tells us the  photo with Tatiana and Anastasia with the dog Ortino was taken in the summer of 1917.  Note the wild flowers and summer clothes.

AGRBear

[grandduchess_42]

so it was taken in 1917.. and she got him in 1915?

there must some evidence of the first ortino...
if there was a first one

[RealAnastasia]

You may also read in Penny Wilson and Greg King's book "FOTR", how Ortino's (at least the second one) dead...It was in the very night Tatiana lost her own life...

I have a question, and I feel stupid for asking it: Was Ortino a FEMALE dog? Ortino seems a male dog name for me, but reading some books passages, I felt almost clearly that Ortino was a female dog. Is it true or I've dreamed it? 

RealAnastasia.

[aussiechick12]

You are not stupid at all RealAnastasia! I have read both male and female. But the times I have seen Ortino written as a male I don't think people had much knowledge of Ortino, and/or had just assumed. I think Ortino was a girl.
On my website I have lots of quotes from numerous sources about Ortino: www.tatianaromanova.piczo.com