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« Reply #255 on: July 12, 2012, 04:48:15 AM »
Yes its definitely Balmoral, on the lawn by the main tower on the south front. Fascinating find! in contrast to her father Princess Margaret looks so young and happy, she really wasn't treated very well after he died.

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« Reply #256 on: July 13, 2012, 04:35:18 PM »
Some lovely family photos there. I agree about George VI, though. You can clearly see he is unwell in these photos. Such a shame he died at that age, I think!

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« Reply #257 on: October 31, 2012, 10:29:19 AM »
The historical context for the recent controversy regarding Prince Charles's letters and political opinions

http://www.royalhistorian.com/prince-charless-correspondence-and-the-nature-of-constitutional-monarchy/

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« Reply #258 on: October 31, 2012, 06:34:13 PM »
Did Dominic Grieve really say "the political neutrality of the monarch came to be accepted as “a cornerstone of the UK’s constitutional framework” "?  How ignorant can you get! 

Doesn't he know about Queen Victoria?  She was a constitutional monarch and she was NOT politically neutral - far from it! She argued with her Prime Ministers and her Ministers for Foreign Affairs on many occasions, and even got one of them sacked. But she did recognise that the government (though nominally HER Government) ran the country and she didn't.  As the article says, George V and George VI were not politically neutral either, and nor was Edward VII.

Now what about Queen Elizabeth II?  She has managed to avoid political controversy in public, but surely she must express her private opinions to her Prime Minister at least once a week.  She has never been a rubber stamp monarch, and I'm sure she must disagree with proposed governmental action or policy, from time to time, and  I don't call that being politically neutral. The reason why she doesn't have to write letters to ministers that the public might learn about (as has happened to Charles) is that she, and she alone of the royal family,  has this direct and private pipeline to the government. And of course she has had 60 years of practice in disagreeing in the most tactful manner. I don't expect she says, "Oh, no, I don't agree with X!" More likely it's more along the lines of "Have you considered Y as an alternative"?

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« Reply #259 on: November 01, 2012, 08:40:39 AM »
Hi,

Glad you enjoyed my blog post. Here's where I got the Dominic Grieve quotes that I discuss in my article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-charles/9613523/Prince-of-Wales-letters-letters-a-threat-to-Charles-as-King.html


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« Reply #260 on: November 01, 2012, 02:52:38 PM »
One can't but feel that Charles has been imprudent in committing his opinions to paper and while it is not in the current government's interest to embarass the monarchy, a future government might not be so delicate, especially if they were on the opposite political side. 

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« Reply #261 on: November 01, 2012, 06:43:10 PM »
I agree.  I think it's one thing for the Queen to express her personal views in private meetings with the Prime Minister of the day or other government ministers which are obviously in confidence, but letters written by the Prince of Wales are and remain the property of the person to whom they were written and will not necessarily remain private once the politician has left his/her office, or even before that.  Anyone can request that written information be kept private but that doesn't mean it will be.

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« Reply #262 on: November 03, 2012, 03:53:22 AM »
It seems a bit of a catch-22 senario for Charles in that, by denying the public access to his letters on the grounds that they would show him (Charles) in an unfavourable position as a politically-neutral future sovereign, the Attorney General seems effectively to be saying that he is not in fact suitable for this future role.  Essentially, it appears that if the letters were published, Charles would not match up to the standards of political discretion and neutrality the present Queen has set, and that he would therefore demonstrate his unfitness for the role.

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« Reply #263 on: November 05, 2012, 09:29:36 AM »
The Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall have begun their Diamond Jubilee visit to Papua New Guinea, Australia and New Zealand.

Not sure about the JFK reference in this article, but I did enjoy the coverage of their visit to PNG where Her Majesty is locally referred to as "Missus Kwin" (Mrs Queen) in pidgin English.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/prince-charles-avoids-jfk-moment-in-png-after-saying-hello-in-pidgin-english/story-e6frfq80-1226510396459

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« Reply #264 on: November 05, 2012, 11:32:33 AM »
I had to laugh - the aussie newspaper couldn't actually come out and directly praise Prince Charles for his correct use of pidgin English, but had instead to present it as "avoid[ing[ a JFK moment"!  With regard to JFK, in fact, although there was a snicker about the double entendre, the inhabitants of West Berlin were genuinely thrilled by JFK's expression of solidarity, it wasn't a translation disaster at all, and I am sure that if Prince Charles had got it wrong, it wouldn't have been a disaster either.  In most cases, genuine effort and goodwill works just as well as an ultra correct translation.

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« Reply #266 on: November 05, 2012, 05:01:42 PM »
I had to laugh - the aussie newspaper couldn't actually come out and directly praise Prince Charles for his correct use of pidgin English, but had instead to present it as "avoid[ing[ a JFK moment"!  With regard to JFK, in fact, although there was a snicker about the double entendre, the inhabitants of West Berlin were genuinely thrilled by JFK's expression of solidarity, it wasn't a translation disaster at all, and I am sure that if Prince Charles had got it wrong, it wouldn't have been a disaster either.  In most cases, genuine effort and goodwill works just as well as an ultra correct translation.

Agree with you.  Sorry, it wasn't the best article - not a fan of that particular site, but best I could do short on time!

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« Reply #267 on: November 06, 2012, 07:04:33 AM »
It sounds as though the Prince did rather well and the locals were delighted to see him!

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« Reply #268 on: November 06, 2012, 08:08:44 PM »
Yes, they seem to have both been received very well, though I did hear a "royalist" complaining on the radio this morning as I drove to work that Charles was "rude" by shaking hands with members of the crowd with his other hand in his pocket!  A tad over the top I thought...I mean, it's not really "shaking hands" is it?

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« Reply #269 on: November 07, 2012, 08:21:09 AM »
Seems a petty thing for someone to complain about.  I just scanned a number of photos of the royal tour and noticed that Charles seemed to be favoring one hand while protecting the other - at least in some of the latter pictures.  Possible that one hand might have been slightly injured in some way - perhaps by an over-zealous member of the public squeezed it too hard?