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Three Kings at War - Documentary
« on: December 12, 2006, 09:41:34 AM »
UK members may be interested in "Three Kings at War" which looks at George V, Nicholas II and Kaiser Wilhelm during WW1.  This is the programme that will reveal British Secret Service plans to rescue Nicholas in 1918.

It will be preceded by a repeat of "Prince Eddy - The King we never had" which I think was shown last year.

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 05:04:35 AM »
This film was repeated on Channel 4 on Friday last.   I missed if first time round.

It was fairly predictible and rather plodding.   What was of interest was what was described as 'new' information accessed from GARF.   Much of this took the form of 'Dear NIcky' letters from his 'beloved Geordie'.   Although it was tragic to learn of the young Grand Duchess' plans for their new life in England.   This commentary was intercut with archive film from the 1909 holiday in Cowes.

The conclusion reached was that King George V, personally, insisted upon the withdrawal of the British offer of asylum.   He confirmed his decision over breakfast with Queen Mary at 9.00a.m. on the 6th of April 1917.   Appeals fell on deaf ears.   His mind was closed.

Of course, King George could not have predicted the Bolshevik Revolution of the following October, but he knew perfectly well that Nicholas, Alexandra and their children, as a result of his decision, were thrown to the wolves.

There appears to be some evidence to support Stephen Alley's involvement in an attempted escape, through Murmansk.   However, by this time the Imperial Family,imprisoned  in Ekaterinburg, was so remote, and so well secured as to make such an attempt unrealistic and impossible.

The royal archives covering this period are said to have been 'swept' clean.   Interestingly, it was reported that researchers and prospective biographers when seeking access to the archive, 'until recently', have been advised there will be no cooperation covering that period.

It must be very difficult for the present royal family - Prince Charles in particular.   He is devoted to the memory of his great aunt, the Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodrovona.

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Re: Three Kings at War - Documentary
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2007, 02:51:48 AM »
Were there quotes from diaries or letters of the Grand Duchesses plans for England, Tsaria?

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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2007, 04:43:33 PM »
They were not presented as quotes - rather they were part of the commentary which ran along the film of the Imperial Family's visit to Cowes in 1909 - part of which was the very well known film of the children running backwards and forwards on the deck of the yacht.   

The point being made was how much the Imperial Family had enjoyed this holiday to England and, as a result, the grand duchesses recalling this experience were anticipating their return.   Whether this was speculation on the film maker's part, or whether there is a record of the girl's attitude to exile in England, I cannot say.   However, throughout the programme, there were a number references to recent access to previously unpublished documents in GARF.

Hope this helps Georgiy.   Its nice to see you back.

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2010, 04:30:04 PM »
There is an older post here regarding this.  It was suggested to create a new topic.

I remember when this film came out.  I thought that it may be convenient to place here the (5) clips of the documentary, for those that did not have a chance to see it.

Those that may be interested in the royal houses of England, Germany, and Russia, will find these five clips essential in comprehending the relationships of these famous monarchs.  Those of you who know of "The Club", will be able to see actual film footage of some of its attendees. Not only were they kin to one another, but often challenged each other.  After seeing these, you might guess which one had idiosyncrasies that were most difficult to deal with...

Three Kings At War:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhvcEWl-Oys&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-Cc8QaQzs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuD9VM-Eu0o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-LY9LV1VPA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5FQ2Ae2S3E&feature=related

I hope that you enjoy them.

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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2013, 03:33:10 PM »
I' d like to know some more about Luton Hoo, in ''Prince Eddy The King We Never Had'' there's the palace abbandoned but in wikipedia I cannot see when that was in such a state of .disrepair
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2014, 11:01:45 AM »
Could somebody perhaps tell me if it is the same documentary as this one:

The King, The Kaiser & The Tsar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYQxl3D3_hs

I'd like to ask if Nickolas was at the funeral of Edward VII and in the group photo with his other two cousins?
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2014, 11:28:10 AM »
I'd like to ask if Nickolas was at the funeral of Edward VII and in the group photo with his other two cousins?

No, Ferdinand of Bulgaria was the only tsar in attendance. Here is the definite list. Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich represented his brother.

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2014, 01:23:30 PM »
I'd like to ask if Nickolas was at the funeral of Edward VII and in the group photo with his other two cousins?

No, Ferdinand of Bulgaria was the only tsar in attendance. Here is the definite list. Grand Duke Michael Alexandrovich represented his brother.



Just offhand, I'd think that contingent , including those in carriages, exceeded that gathered for Queen Victoria's funeral in 1901.

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2014, 08:13:19 AM »
Given that the funeral was only a fortnight after the king's death, I'm interested to see how far-flung the royal mourners were. Presumably the representatives of China and Japan had not travelled out from home,  but even so, it was a long trek then from Constantinople, St Petersburg or Athens.

In the picture of the monarchs, I wonder whether the photographer asked the enormously tall King Haakon to lean against the sideboard in that nonchalant fashion so as to look shorter and so balance out the ordinarily tall Albert of Belgium at the other end of the back row?

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2014, 12:46:05 PM »
Given that the funeral was only a fortnight after the king's death, I'm interested to see how far-flung the royal mourners were. Presumably the representatives of China and Japan had not travelled out from home,  but even so, it was a long trek then from Constantinople, St Petersburg or Athens.

As far as I can see, the Orient Express only took 68 hours from Constantinople to Paris. St. Petersburg-Paris was probably even quicker. So you could be in London in three days. Not sure if it would be quicker to go in a private train, but perhaps "public transportation" was beneath these august personages, even when rushing to a funeral.
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2014, 01:34:09 PM »
Thanks. The news would doubtless go by telegraph, so not actually too much of  a mad dash for those in Europe. New York to Southampton by sea for Theodore Roosevelt was Four days, but the Chinese and Japanese princes could simply not have got to London from home in that time.

Can anyone work out the blood tie between Edward VIII and Aexander of Serbia. Alexander later married Edward's great-niece, but his mother was Montenegrin, so I'm stuck.

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2014, 05:40:45 PM »


Can anyone work out the blood tie between Edward VII and Aexander of Serbia. Alexander later married Edward's great-niece, but his mother was Montenegrin, so I'm stuck.

Ann

I don't think there is one, unless it's so far back I can't work it out...:-) The Serbian and Montenegrin royal families were "local people" when they first emerged as royalty and definitely hadn't paddled in the same shallow gene pool as the rest of European royalty. Queen Victoria might have loved the fact that a son of one of the "dark-haired, dark-eyed" Montenegrins married her great-granddaughter and strengthened what she called the "lymphatic" blood, but, ironically, I don't think they've proved stronger than the blue-eyed northern Europeans.
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2014, 03:15:35 AM »
This is what I thought. The wiki list describes him as great-nephew-in-law, but clearly this is anticipating his marriage.

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2014, 11:25:05 AM »
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The conclusion reached was that King George V, personally, insisted upon the withdrawal of the British offer of asylum.   He confirmed his decision over breakfast with Queen Mary at 9.00a.m. on the 6th of April 1917.   Appeals fell on deaf ears.   His mind was closed.

The British Monarch was, as is now, just a figurehead, with no real authority.   Therefore, he would have no authority to do this.  He could make suggestions, but it would fall to the PM and the Government to actually make, and then withdraw the offer.
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