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Re: History Channel Ticking Me Off!!!
« Reply #270 on: October 22, 2012, 10:56:11 AM »
In the latest episode of AA, they suggested the Nazis has time travel!  If that was the case, why didn't they use it to make sure they won World War II?
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« Reply #271 on: October 22, 2012, 01:33:28 PM »
In the latest episode of AA, they suggested the Nazis has time travel!  If that was the case, why didn't they use it to make sure they won World War II?

Maybe they saw how things ended up playing out after their WW2 victory. Perhaps prior to obtaining nuclear weapons of their own the USSR in retribution drops an Atomic bomb on Berlin killing hundreds of thousands. The Nazi's decide the loss of life and destruction of infrastructure is not worth winning the war. They instead decide to concede defeat intentionally realizing it's in their best interest in the long run.
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« Reply #272 on: October 22, 2012, 02:06:42 PM »
The Nazis had the jump on nuclear weapons with their "heavy water" experiments and they also had Werner Von Braun a long time before we did.

I don't believe that the Soviet Union would have had the capability to develop the Atomic bomb before Germany.

The Germans would have even gotten to it before the US did because a lot of the scientists who were working on it and knowledgeable about it were German.

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« Reply #273 on: October 22, 2012, 02:39:35 PM »
The Nazis had the jump on nuclear weapons with their "heavy water" experiments and they also had Werner Von Braun a long time before we did.

I don't believe that the Soviet Union would have had the capability to develop the Atomic bomb before Germany.

The Germans would have even gotten to it before the US did because a lot of the scientists who were working on it and knowledgeable about it were German.

Alright fair enough. My basic point was that having the ability to see into an alternate future means any number of things could have gone differently. Lets say Germany wins the war, but they become the focus of hatred throughout the world. They eventually are hit with economic sanctions and threatened millitarily. Nukes or not the Germans cannot withstand the international pressure and succumb to disgrace and disaster. Or internal pressures. A civil war begins and the Nazi regime is overthrown. A lot of ex-Nazi's who were able to live out their lives peacefully and in obscurity are now hunted down and killed years earlier. All in all a fate much worse than what their defeat after WW2 led to.
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« Reply #274 on: October 23, 2012, 09:04:20 AM »
I am surprised that Tim hasn't referred you to the Star Trek episode called The City on the Edge of Forever. Written by one of the foremost witters of science fiction, Harlan Ellison, it tells a tale of another possibility if Germany had won the war.

But "sanctions", without the United Nations as it is today, would sanctions even been used in the 1940s ?

The name "United Nations", coined by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt was first used in the Declaration by United Nations of
1 January 1942, during the Second World War, when representatives of 26 nations pledged their Governments to continue fighting together against the Axis Powers.
[/b]    http://www.un.org/en/aboutun/history/

No one spoke of "sanctions" only of pledging to continue fighting.

I believe that "sanctions" economic or otherwise are a fairly (on the world scale) recent development in International Diplomacy.

Had Germany won the second World War, I believe that the world would have taken years if not decades to be able to react or fight back. Also remember that the wholesale murder of millions of people would have continued and effectively "hamstrung" the world's ability to fight back or in any way weaken Germany's power. Besides which, if Germany had developed the Atomic bomb, then the rest of the world would have stood in awe just as the Japanese did after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Surrender was almost immediate.

(Unless as you can now see that Japan is actually still fighting back as they build countless video games that teach our children to kill and have no regard for human life as in "Call of Duty" and "War Hawk" and now "Star Hawk". And the Japanese do own a great deal of real property in the US, I believe at one time and maybe still, they owed great chunks of New York City.)

So they may have surrendered, but they are still intent on punishing those who "opened up Tokyo" in the 19th century and then defeated them in World War II. You may not be impressed with this statement, but that does not make it untrue.

But one interesting novel on Asians invading and taking over the United States is called The Sixth Column or The Day After Tomorrow by another science fiction great Robert Heinlein. This, though, shows that with ingenuity and guts that these invaders can be fought and defeated.
 

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« Reply #275 on: October 23, 2012, 12:10:24 PM »
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I am surprised that Tim hasn't referred you to the Star Trek episode called The City on the Edge of Forever. Written by one of the foremost witters of science fiction, Harlan Ellison, it tells a tale of another possibility if Germany had won the war

Yeah, that is a great episode.  Kirk finally meeting a woman he could really love, only to have to let her die, so history can be safe. 
 
I highly recommend it.
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« Reply #276 on: December 06, 2013, 01:01:01 AM »
The Canadian History Channel showed something very strange last evening. I clipped the following from a Canadian web site.


“What if?” Literary scholars say that question has driven science fiction since time immemorial, and the made-for-TV movie The Great Martian War poses a doozy: What if Mars invaded Earth in 1913?

The Great Martian War isn’t a sci-fi B picture exactly. It airs on History and has been carefully crafted to look, sound and feel like a historical documentary, complete with grainy archival footage, witness testimony from aging survivors and the analysis and deconstruction of present-day experts.

The Great Martian War combines computer-generated images of alien invaders and film footage from the First World War to create the illusion that a Martian invasion actually happened. Think of it as Orson Welles’s The War of the Worlds crossed with Woody Allen’s Zelig, dressed up as a historical documentary, complete with portentous narration (“A century ago these fields were the bloody arena for the most terrible conflict in human history …”) and brooding, “important” background music.

“We were fighting monsters!” an elderly witness recalls, decades later.

Another elderly witness recalls, in a shaking, halting voice, “There was life beyond our planet! It went against everything I was raised to believe … An entire generation of young men, all of them vanished.”

Whether The Great Martian War is for you will depend a lot on your sensibilities. More serious-minded viewers may be offended that actual First World War film footage of a real, bloody conflict involving actual living, breathing people has been manipulated for use in a sci-fi pulp adventure.

Many viewers, though — most, perhaps — will be drawn in by the compelling way The Great Martian War poses its central mystery. It’s silly, sure, yet strangely addictive. It uses every filmmaking trick in the history documentarian’s playbook, from grainy archival footage to the testimony of present-day experts such as “war historian and broadcaster” Duncan Mitchell Myers, who explains how an unexplained explosion in the middle of Germany’s Black Forest triggered a rush to war.

At two hours, The Great Martian War seems repetitive at times, a little like a one-joke comedy stretched too long. It’s cleverly put together, though, with small, welcome touches like war vet Hughie Logan “of Calgary, Canada” — “filmed in 1987,” according to the caption — who recalls that going to war meant leaving loved ones behind at home to ponder his fate on the battlefield.

The Great Martian War isn’t mere pulp entertainment. The centenary commemorations of the First World War — the actual war — are just around the corner. In an indirect, almost offhand way, The Great Martian War seems calculated to appeal to a younger generation raised to believe that historical documentaries are tedious and uninspiring. 
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« Reply #277 on: July 30, 2014, 05:30:45 PM »
Next week, the Canadian History Channel is doing.... Alien Week.

We're at the Centennial of one of the worst wars in human history, a war whose impact is still felt,  and they're doing Alien Week!?  Are you kidding me!?  Can't the aliens wait, this is supposed to be the HISTORY Channel, not Space (the Canadian Sci-Fi Channel). 
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« Reply #278 on: July 30, 2014, 09:01:48 PM »
Oh yes - that's why we cancelled cable & satellite. :P

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« Reply #279 on: July 30, 2014, 11:24:02 PM »
That WWI special on the American Heroes Channel (Verizon Fios subscribers in the US) is really quite riveting. Certainly better than anything I've seen recently on the History Channel.
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« Reply #280 on: July 31, 2014, 12:41:29 AM »
I just sent the Canadian History Channel the following e-mail:


It has come to my attention that, next week, your channel is doing something called Alien Week? 
 
Over the past few years, I've see you move farther and farther away from actual History because of rubbish shows like Pawn Stars and Axe Men, but I've kept silent.  Well, now I must speak.
 
As you may know we are at the Centennial of the First World War, a war whose impact is still felt today.  Shouldn't you, as a channel devoted to history, be covering that.  If I want to watch aliens, I'll watch Space.
 
It's high time you got back to real History.  The First World War is History, aliens are NOT!



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Re: History Channel Ticking Me Off!!!
« Reply #281 on: July 31, 2014, 05:22:16 AM »
Right on! Huzzah Tim.
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« Reply #282 on: July 31, 2014, 09:10:46 AM »
We  use a program called TunnelBear that allows us to watch all of the BBC shows online from the BBC website for free.  The Beeb have done a wonderful job of programs about the WWI Centennial.

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« Reply #283 on: July 31, 2014, 10:37:13 AM »
You would think that a channel that calls itself History would put aside the aliens and pawn stars to commemorate the Centennial of WWI.  However, it seems that's not the case.
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« Reply #284 on: July 31, 2014, 01:35:11 PM »
I remember in the U.S. the History Channel did a program called 24 hours: The JFK Assassination, or something like that. It covered the 24 hours following the assassination with all the confusion, back and forth debates on what happened and what to do next and behind the scenes conflicts among the politicians. 

It would be fantastic if somebody made a similar program concerning the 24 hours that followed the assassination of Franz Ferdinand or the 24 hours leading to the declaration of war.

I would think Franz Ferdinand's assassination is iconic enough to warrant at least an hour program, they mention it even in Elementary school. Also the moments before the declaration of war is pretty exciting when you look at the back and forth telegramming between the heads of state who all happen to be RELATIVES.

History Channel in the US/Canada are really dropping the ball although I guess its no surprise.