Anastasia's Medical Records

[grandduchess_42]

OH!
ok thank you sarushka for clearing that up!

aparently she did have bunions and thank you aliss for the pictures!
that helped me out alot!

thank you everybody!

[Sarushka]

This photo from 1912 also shows Anastasia's bunions quite clearly:



You can see how her toe leans away from the joint, toward the right.

[Aliss_Kande]

Perfect example Sarushka!  Thank you!  I completely forgot about that photo.

[grandduchess_42]

OH!
i see it quite clearly now!

thank you!

[GrandDuchessAnastasia]

Hey...There is not a letter ABOUT fainting spelling. I'm remembering her own letters (this is, written by Anastasia herself) with lots of grammatical mistakes. Since I'm not an English native speaker, maybe "fainting spelling" is other thing than faults when writting, but if there is this, I must said that she DID have grammatical faults, as all her sisters had.  You are able to read some samples of Anastasia's way of writing here, in this very Forum (some people quoted her letters and "litterary works"), but you may also find different little things she wrote at "A Lifelong Passion- Nicholas and Alexandra. Their own Story" an excellent compitalion made by Andrei Maylunas and Sergei Mironenko...Its a book where there are lots of excerpts of letters, memoirs and other writings of "Imperial people" from back then, especially Nicholas, Alexandra, and their children.

And I suppose that Anastasia did not have anything to do with syncope.  Syncope is a fainting produced by momentary heart failure. It could eventually, drive to death. I think its synonime of "heart attack". And no; it seems Anastasia never suffered from such a thing. Its extremely rare in a young child, even if it is possible for them to have it.
But the problems in her back seems to have been true, according to Olga Alexandrovna's testimony. And of course, you may realize it in photos, were she always appears with her neck and shoulders projected forward. Ths is typical of people suffering from the back.

RealAnastasia.

I'm sorry if this sounds rude but I feel like you're ridiculing me. I get it, okay so she didn't have it.
The only reason I was confused about 'fainting spells' is because the literal translation of fainting in English is passing out. Not grammatical errors.
A medical doctor told me this about syncope and so does Wikipedia.....

Fainting
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Name of Symptom/Sign:
Fainting
Classifications and external resources ICD-10 R
55
 
ICD-9 780.2
The term Faint redirects here. Syncope
Fainting or syncope (IPA: /ˈsɪnkəpi/ or /ˈsɪŋkəpi/) is a sudden (and generally momentary) loss of consciousness, or blacking out, due to a lack of sufficient blood and oxygen reaching the brain. The first symptoms a person feels before fainting are dizziness, a dimming of vision, or brown-out and feeling hot. Moments later, the person's vision turns black and he or she drops to the floor (or slumps if seated in a chair).

Factors that influence fainting are taking in too little food and fluids, low blood pressure, hypoglycemia, growth spurts, physical exercise in excess of the energy reserve of the body, and lack of sleep. Even standing up too quickly or being in too hot a room can cause fainting. Recommended treatment is to allow the person to lie on the ground with his or her legs a little elevated. As the dizziness and the momentary blindness passes, the person may experience visual disturbances in the form of small bright dots (phosphene). These will also pass within a few minutes. If fainting happens frequently, or if there is no obvious explanation, it is important to see a doctor about it.

It is not impossible for children to have it although it is rare, and is actually quite common among teenaged girls.

[Sarushka]

I'm sorry if this sounds rude but I feel like you're ridiculing me. I get it, okay so she didn't have it.
The only reason I was confused about 'fainting spells' is because the literal translation of fainting in English is passing out. Not grammatical errors.

Don't worry -- nobody's making fun of you. This is just another example of the language misunderstandings we have around here from time to time. It's the price we occasionally pay for the provilege of having so many international members. 

[RealAnastasia]

Anyone was being rude with you, nor trying to. And much less ridiculing YOU. For people is not obliged to know everything in the world, specially science. I was saying that syncope was exactly the article you posted by Wikipedia, but that the simptoms that the patients feel are (in general) caused for cardiac troubles that produced this state of dizziness on them...

I was not laughing at you, but at people who writes fake things about Anastasia (and OTM), just to make themselves interesting. Of course, you did anything wrong saying here what you've read. The fault is not yours.

And sorry from the word "fainting". I just wanted to add that Anastasia had problems in her spelling. That she would made many grammatical errors, as all her sisters did. I used the word "fainting" for I read it used by another Forum user and I believed it was correct. I supposed that it was a synonim of "mistake", "failure", etc. Sorry again.

However, I cannot understand HOW did you imagine I was being rude to you. I supposed it was clear I was just saying that I found rare that a little girl could suffer from syncope. Why should you being mistreated only for asking this?

RealAnastasia.

[Sarushka]

However, I cannot understand HOW did you imagine I was being rude to you. I supposed it was clear I was just saying that I found rare that a little girl could suffer from syncope. Why should you being mistreated only for asking this?

I think now that GrandDuchessAnastasia has received an apology, any further discussion of this misunderstanding should be dealt with via PM to allow the thread to continue on the topic of Anastasia's medical records. 

[grandduchess_42]

ookkk.

on another note of her record

did she say, or did anybody else say that
she was a carrier for the Hemophellia desease? (sp)

i know that Marie was one... but was Anastasia?

[Holly]

You can't really be sure if any of OTMA had haemophilia with 100% certainty. They were too young, Anastasia particularly, when they died to know if she was a carrier for sure, seeing as none of OTMA had children.

[grandduchess_42]

but they could tell with Marie!

with her tonsles (sp) taken out!
why couldn't they find that out on the others?

[tatianolishka_1]

Umm... I don't know for certain here, but from what I understand hemophilia is caused by mutations on two genes:

Normal Person: No mutations = normal clotting
Carrier Female: One mutation = abnormal clotting, not as easy to clot
Affected Male: Two mutations = difficulty to clot

Apparently Olga A. said that she thought all her nieces bled more than normal. Then you have to begin looking for more info and cases where OTMA had severe blood loss like the incident with Maria and her tonsilitis. So it is possible SHE was a carrier, but there are no other events that we can make a diagnosis of the mutation on the rest of the girls. I could go into more detail involving Alexandra's sisters and their children, but I want to fall asleep please. 

TatOlia

[Sarushka]

but they could tell with Marie!

with her tonsles (sp) taken out!

The incident with Maria's tonsils indicates that she was very likely to be a carrier, but doesn't prove it for sure. Normal, non-hemophilia carriers do hemmorhage during surgery occasionally.

why couldn't they find that out on the others?

Genetic testing on the girls' remains could show who was a carrier, but those tests are not likely to be performed at this point in time. The question of which of OTMA carried hemophilia is interesting to people like us, but probably isn't significnt enough historically or scientifically to make it worth spending the time and money to perform the tests. Besides, with the controversy over whether Maria or Anastasia's remains are missing, we'd really only know for sure with Olga and Tatiana.

[lori_c]

Most definitely, genetic testing would have been the only way to discover who was a carrier of the gene.  And I don't think Medical Science was advanced enough at the time to test the girls.  Therefore, I don't think it would have been in any one of their medical records. 

But as Sarushka said, on the remains, most definitely we would be able to tell.  However due to time constraints and money, the Russian government didn't see this as necessary at the time.  Quite possibly, if the two other missing children are found, there may be new interest in the Hemophilia factor. Especially if they find Alexei.

As a side note, In a book about Marie of Romania it was mentioned that Prince Carol was a suggested husband for GD Olga, but because of the chance that Olga might bring hemophilia with her to the Romanian royal family, it was not encouraged by Marie or Ferdinand. (But it was a moot point anyway as Olga refused to leave Russia nor was she very interested in Carol and vice versa)

[Holly]

but they could tell with Marie!

with her tonsles (sp) taken out!
why couldn't they find that out on the others?

Like the others said, you can't make a complete diagnosis based on one incident. I bled a lot when I had mine taken out, but it doesn't mean I carry haemophilia. My mother has a strain of haemophilia herself and it's almost impossible to get her blood to clot. But sometimes, it does clot on its own.