A List - Claimant's Name/History/Fate

[AGRBear]

 I am bumping this one up for others to find since it's being talked about on a new thread.

Please note that this thread eliminates the discussion of Anna Anderson because there are plenty of theads about her as a claimant, etc. etc.

Other claimants for  GD Anastasia, however, are to be included here.

Thanks.

AGRBear.

[AGRBear]

This is according to the Russian language documentary "Poslye Rasstrela" ("After the Execution").

Total number of "Russian imperial children" claimants since 1918:

Olga:    28 claimants

Tatiana:  33 claimants

Maria:    53 claimants

Anastasia:   33 claimants

Alexei:     81 claimants

Total:  228 "imperial children" who survived the Ekaterinburg massacre...  

[RealAnastasia]

So...these ones who are always saying that most of the claimants assured they were Anastasia were not saying the truth...Alexei won!   More than 80 Alexei is an important number!  

RealAnastasia.

[AGRBear]

Haven't thought about this subject for awhile.

Anything new?

Links.

Information.

Have we missed mentioning a claimant?  If so, who.

Thanks.

AGRBear

[lexi4]

One of the most interesting cases to me is Larissa Feodorovna Tudor. The only information I have ever been able to find on her is in the Occleshaw's book, The Romanov Conspiracies.
Does anyone know of any other information? I thought there was one picture of her, with a group of other women, but am not sure about this. If I recall, she was standing behind the other women and it was difficult to see her face.
I have sometimes thought that IF any of the IF survived, they would live out their lives quietly and not with the publicity that AA attracted. It would seem that if any of the IF did survive, they would not want to be discovered. But hey, what do I know?

[kelly_anne_wright]

One of the most interesting cases to me is Larissa Feodorovna Tudor. The only information I have ever been able to find on her is in the I thought there was one picture of her, with a group of other women, but am not sure about this. If I recall, she was standing behind the other women and it was difficult to see her face.

I've seen this pictue but unfortunately don't have it saved anymore  She did kind of look like Tatiana, in a vague way.

[lexi4]

One of the most interesting cases to me is Larissa Feodorovna Tudor. The only information I have ever been able to find on her is in the I thought there was one picture of her, with a group of other women, but am not sure about this. If I recall, she was standing behind the other women and it was difficult to see her face.

I've seen this pictue but unfortunately don't have it saved anymore  She did kind of look like Tatiana, in a vague way.
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I don't either. She was truly a mystery woman. I would love to know more about her.

[Rachael89]

One of the most interesting cases to me is Larissa Feodorovna Tudor. The only information I have ever been able to find on her is in the Occleshaw's book, The Romanov Conspiracies.
Does anyone know of any other information? I thought there was one picture of her, with a group of other women, but am not sure about this. If I recall, she was standing behind the other women and it was difficult to see her face.
I have sometimes thought that IF any of the IF survived, they would live out their lives quietly and not with the publicity that AA attracted. It would seem that if any of the IF did survive, they would not want to be discovered. But hey, what do I know?

I find Larissa's case interesting as well, mainly because she led such a quiet reclusive life and died so young (around 28), poor thing. There is another book about her as well called No Resting Place for a Romanov by Sue Edwards, it's very short (68 pages) and is now OOP and rare, however I beleive I can get a copy. I wrote to someone about it and apparently is has a better photo of Larissa, in profile.

Best

Rachael

EDIT:

Found an interesting site for her on Findagrave.com:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSvcid=14409&GRid=13966645&

[Rachael89]

Brought a second hand copy of The File on the Tsar, and when I got home and opened it a newspaper clipping about one of the Alexei claimants fell out, the previous owner had dated it as being from 1970.

I'm at college right now but I'll scan it in when I get home.

Rachael

[AGRBear]

Rachel,

Hope you find some time to post what the clipping tells us.

Thanks.

AGRBear

[AGRBear]

On a thread which has just been locked down,  Penny tells us about  people claiming to have been the uncrown Tsar Michael :

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Quote from: Tsarfan on November 07, 2006, 10:16:20 AM


I don't know about any claimants...

Various "Michaels" were popping up throughout Siberia relatively quickly after his death:  One of the first was allegedly in Turkestan, issuing a manifesto and trying to raise an army; a second was supposed to have been in Omsk at the head of a band of Cossacks.  Dmitri Pavlovich heard about the latter while he was in Persia and wrote: "Misha is advancing on Moscow with Cossacks and has been proclaimed Emperor." (DP's Diary, Houghton, Harvard University)  But it is difficult to ascertain if these two "Michaels" were real claimants or if they -- and their actions -- were merely rumors.
Beginning in 1919, there were sightings of Michael in the far east: Japan, China, Thailand.  Again, it's difficult to know if these are only rumors, or if there were real people making claims.  In February 1919, a man appeared at the Colonial Office in a town in French Indo-China, seeking a visa under Michael's name and titles.  There was a Top Secret report made, including photographs of the man who claimed to be Michael; these photos were shown to some friends of Michael and relatives of his wife -- and he was determined to be a fraud.  According to the Crawfords in their book Michael and Natasha, information on this claimant can be found at the Leeds Russian Archive MS 1363/101.
A later "Michael" appeared in Shanghai -- but by September 1919, Admiral Kolchak was writing to Natasha that there was no solid evidence of Michael having been anywhere after Perm, and that he did not know what had happened to him.
Quote from: Tsarfan on November 07, 2006, 10:16:20 AM

... but I did find this rather bizarre reference on a rather hyperbolic Orthodox Church website:  http://www.serfes.org/royal/romanovpretenders.htm:
"Recent claims made in the book, Blood Relative, by British history professor Michael Gray that the Tsarevich (from whom he claims illegitimate descent) escaped Russia with the Dowager Empress in 1919 onboard HMS Marlborough, and assumed the name Nikolai Chebotarev are likewise absurd.  As is his claim Nicholas II's corpse was switched with that of his brother the Grand Duke Michael to throw off investigators.  The fact that the Grand Duke's body was dismembered and incinerated by the Bolsheviks in a St. Petersburg blast furnace after his murder in 1918 (prior to the regicide) is ignored, and a host of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories involving forensic evidence tampering, combined with a loose (in place erroneous) interpretation of DNA analysis, advanced in a futile attempt to explain the alleged body switch and DNA results which do not prove his point." [emphasis added]
A body switch between Nicholas and Michael?  And the transport of Michael's body from Perm to St. Petersburg to be burned in some blast furnace?  And these claims presented by an Orthodox Church website based in Boise, Idaho?
What next?  Spaceships and little green men?
There have always been rumors about what happened to Michaels' remains.  One has them being buried in an area that was later paved over for housing; another says that he was not buried at all, but was burned up in a smelter at some sort of factory in or near Motovilikhi -- I think this last is where the above interpretation comes from.
~Penny

[Rachael89]

Whoops! Sorry Bear, totally frogot, eher's the article, and I was wrong, it's from 1971 not 1970:



Best

Rachael

[AGRBear]

For some reason,  the thread about the following claimant is in a different section.  Here is the first post about  Countess Eleonora Albertov Krueger:

Hey guys,

Look what I just found. Read it and tell me what you think.

Link:
http://www.bnr.bg/RadioBulgaria/Emission_English/Theme_History_And_Religion/Material/Gabarevo.htm

Picture:

[AGRBear]

FA has bumped it over to the Imperical Claimants List since yesterday:

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php/topic,5617.0.html

[franastasia]

Guys I have a book that speaks of the claimant, and says a lot of interesting things! Some of you are interested to know something?