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[AGRBear]

The Kent Tatiana:

Because of my thread about what Anastasia would have inherited,  I was asked to read THE LOST FORTUNE OF THE TSARS by William Clarke.  Last night,  while looking for something about Tsarina Alexandra's property in Hesse I can across this story about another rescue I don't recall reading in any other book.  I do recall something about the guards at the Impatiev House getting excited about an airplane flying over......  Let's call it

 A Rescue By Aeroplane

On pps 85-86:

There is mention of  Col. Richard Meinertzhagen, who had been in the Foreign Office and in the British Intelligence and who had a diary.  In this diary he wrote about a "plot to rescue the whole family and the apparent rescue of at least one of the grand duchesses by aeroplane"

Yep,  that is what it said:  "the apparent rescue of at least one of the grand duchesses by aeroplane".

The book then gives Meinertzhagen's entry of 18 Aug 1918 which describes the rescue of one of Nicholas II's daughters and his visit with George V at Buckingham Palace.

p. 86:

"July 1... One child was literally thrown into the plane at Ekaterinburg, much bruised, and brought to Braitain where she still is.  But I am sure if her idenity were known she would be tracked down and murdered as the heir of the Russian throne.  What bestial swine the Russians are, murdering little girls becuse they are the daughters of the Tsar."

Could this be true?

July 1 doesn't seem right.  Not when we read the diares of the Impatiev House....  

Did it occur on July 16 and  not July 1..... ?  Now, this would give us a great deal of thought,  wouldn't it?

People have tried to show that Meinertzhagenmight have "some tendency to fantasise" and people crowd around that thought, or so it seems.

A Michael Occleshaw folllowed up on this story and thought the GD rescue may have been GD Tatiana and that was was indeen flown out of Ekaterinburg to Vladivostock by stages then taken by boat to England.  In fact,  he thought she might be buried ina grave in Lydd in Kent".  

You the few pages and you can gain your own opinion about this
"rescue".

AGRBear

PS: Larissa Feodorova:

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=loonies;action=display;num=1117643820;start=0#2

[stepan]

The "Tatiana" in Kent, Larissa Feodorovna died in 1926. She was married to Owen Tudor. She never claimed anything and the couple lived an almost mysterious life avoiding contact with most people. There is no known photo of her. The story is told in detail in "The Romanov conspiracies" by Michael Occleshaw who also tells the story about Richard Meinertzhagen who claimed in his diary to have saved one of the girls in Ekaterinburg. Interesting and fascinating! Larissa´s grave can still be seen in Lydd in England. Every 10 of June Owen Tudor visited her grave. This was Grand Duchess Tatiana´s birthday according to Occleshaw.

[Sergio]

The Grand Duchess from South Africa

In 1954, a Russian woman called Alena, came to live with a family in South Africa. She told them that she was a Grand Duchess (but she apparently did not say which one) and that all her family had been executed. She died in 1969.
In 1995, Alena's bones were sent to genetic testing but they proved inconclusive.
Photographic comparisons and facial reconstruction led to a result -- Alena closely resembled Maria Romanov.
Now they will try to test Alena's DNA again!

See: http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=loonies;action=display;num=1099301063

[Sergio]

The "Alexis and Anastasia" from USA

Names: Joseph and Magdalene Veres.

An account of Alexis and Anastasia Romanov escaping to the United States and lived as Joseph and Magdalene Veres.

Source: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rmgibsonryan/The_Great_Romanov_Deception.html

Additional information: I think these are the worst claimants because you can`t see any resemblance with Alexis and Anastasia. A bad website with a bad story.

[AGRBear]

More on Alena:

I am very pleased to say that I have found a website about the claimant, complete with photographs.

http://www.aprincessinthefamily.tk/

AGRBear

PS:  More on Alena of S. Africa: http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Transcripts/s1227254.htm

[Denise]

I hace seen the website on Alina.  Is there any further info on her ANYWHERE?  I did a Google search, but saw nothing further than I have read here....

Denise

[AGRBear]

Alena's web site is listed on the following URL:
http://www.aprincessinthefamily.tk/
And, this is all I know about Alena.
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The following is about a Anastasia in Argentina: http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=anastasia;action=display;num=1100453389
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AGRBear

[Sergio]

Anthony A. Goralski (Ohio) - Nicholas II`s illegitimate grandson

<< Anthony A. Goralski, of Cleveland, Ohio, claims that his late mother, Maria, was the Tsar's illegitimate daughter, allegedly conceived with Adela Sytchova at the Mariinski Palace in 1912 on the prompting of the Dowager Empress, in an attempt to "purify" the Romanov bloodline tainted by hemophilia from Empress Alexandra.
To suggest one of history's great imperial dynasties would attempt to "purify" its bloodline through an illegitimate child of lesser birth with no rights of ascendancy is an absurdity. There is no evidence of any kind to support this or other such claims and no serious historian gives them any credence.>>


From: http://www.serfes.org/royal/romanovpretenders.htm

[Sergio]

The "Alexei" from UK

Name: Nikolai Chebotarev (d. 1987)



Recent claims are made in the book, "Blood Relative", by British history professor Michael Gray that the Tsarevich (from whom he claims illegitimate descent) escaped Russia with the Dowager Empress in 1919 onboard HMS Marlborough, and assumed the name Nikolai Chebotarev.
(...) Nikolai Chebotarev never publicly claimed to be the Tsarevich in his lifetime and so far no attempt has been made or contemplated to exhume his remains to perform DNA tests which would, unlike Mr. Gray's claims, resolve the matter with 100% certainty.
(...) a host of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories involving forensic evidence tampering, combined with a loose (in places erroneous) interpretation of DNA analysis, advanced in a futile attempt to explain alleged body switch and DNA results which do not prove his point.
From: http://www.serfes.org/royal/romanovpretenders.htm

Michael Gray is not the author's real name. His real name is William Lloyd Lavery and he claims to be the  illegitimate son of Nikolai Chebotarev ("Alexei") and princess Marina, Duchess of Kent.
More info: http://media.dagospia.com/public_html/articolo_2272.html (site in Italian and with some nudity).

[Dashkova]

And don't forget, the mighty Litwin! lol!  His history is fairly well documented on this site and I don't really have the time or interest to say what's already been said.
But he is a claimant, through and through! (Through ANR, no less )

[Robert_Hall]

Oh dear, Dashkova [welcome back btw, comrade] things were going so quietly until THAT name came again upon us...
Cheers,
Robert

[Dashkova]

Well, happy to be livening things up a bit, then

And as I am now a "God" who knows what pearls of wisdom will flow from my "divine" fingers. LOL!  

[AGRBear]

Perhaps Dashkova, a god among gods  ,  has misssed the rules of this thread.  Let me repeat them:

Let's gather up all the claimants into one thread.

The point of this thread is to collect all  the names of those who have claimed to have been the children of Nicholas II and Alexandra.  With each name mentioned whom he/she claimed to have been.   Such as Anna Anderson claimed she was GD Anastasia.  Because she does have her own thread,  there is no need to mention Ana Anderson anymore than this one brief sentence.  However, there were others [some claim as many a 40] who made the claim they were Anastasia.  There were others who claimed they were GD Alexie, etc.

This is not a thread to prove they were or were not the  "real" person they claimed to be.  We can have spin off threads if we find someone of great interest.

And,  I repeat, please,  do not place your opinion  "for" or "against" a particular claimant or claimants.

 Â THIS IS A LIST THREAD

This thread is simple.  So let me give the rules:
1. Name the claimant
2. Give what information you have which you'd like to share
3.  Name the source where you found the claimant's information
4.  If you know what happen to the claimant, please, add this, too.
5.  If you have a correction or additional information please give the post so we can easily refer back to that post.

Thanks.
AGRBear

[Dashkova]

Nope. I saw them. But had nowhere else to respond to what was directed to me on this thread (just as others have done).

[AGRBear]

South American claimant is Irina Nicolayovna Romanov:

Here it is.  The second part (the one picturing the GD's) goes at the bottom left had side of the first part (the one with Alix), so that the verbage on part 2 matches the verbage in column 3 of part 1.

Alexa

See the following thread for more information:
http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=anastasia;action=display;num=1100453389

AGRBear