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Re: Crownprince Wilhelm & Crownprincess Cecilie, their family, Part I
« Reply #210 on: November 20, 2007, 09:35:18 PM »
Some links to photos from the Amarillo Public Library:

Cecilie with a baby Kira (notice the Kaiser in the background):
http://images.amarillolibrary.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/PhotoArchiv&CISOPTR=863&REC=9


Baby Kira with her German nanny
http://images.amarillolibrary.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/PhotoArchiv&CISOPTR=880&REC=18


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« Reply #211 on: November 23, 2007, 04:48:01 PM »
Are there any photos of her husband ?

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Re: Crownprince Wilhelm & Crownprincess Cecilie, their family, Part I
« Reply #212 on: November 28, 2007, 11:25:55 AM »
Rather sweet ...  on Monday, I bought a pc that shows  Cecilie and Alexandrine and three brothers (taken in the late 1930s) --perfect timing to get the card because I had lunch with Kira on Monday ....
Some links to photos from the Amarillo Public Library:

Cecilie with a baby Kira (notice the Kaiser in the background):
http://images.amarillolibrary.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/PhotoArchiv&CISOPTR=863&REC=9


Baby Kira with her German nanny
http://images.amarillolibrary.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/PhotoArchiv&CISOPTR=880&REC=18


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Re: Crownprince Wilhelm & Crownprincess Cecilie, their family, Part I
« Reply #213 on: December 10, 2007, 02:15:18 PM »
What I have read about Cecilie is that she was held in high esteem by nearly everyone and I have not read anything that criticized her in any way. She enjoyed a very excellent realtionship with the press, the court, and the general population. Within the familly, she was admired to say the least.
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« Reply #214 on: December 11, 2007, 04:45:48 AM »
She suffered like Vicky for her forward ideas and fashionable clothes... :(

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Re: Crownprince Wilhelm & Crownprincess Cecilie, their family, Part I
« Reply #215 on: December 11, 2007, 09:30:52 AM »
Please show us where the suffering of Cecilie is documented. There is nothing in her memoirs to suggest this, and nothing in the public record that would indicate she was under valued.
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« Reply #216 on: December 12, 2007, 05:24:58 AM »
Did you read Princess Catherine Radziwill book on the crown princess ? It might be gossip but it was widely believed as she did have good contacts in Berlin.

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Re: Crownprince Wilhelm & Crownprincess Cecilie, their family, Part I
« Reply #217 on: December 14, 2007, 11:06:49 AM »
I think Cecilie's own memoirs are a better source for reality in terms of how much she "suffered" or not in ways similar to Vicky. Cecilie herself did not complain of such and also unlike Vicky, Cecilie was in constant, adoring public eye. If Catherine Radziwill suggests that Cecilie was beleaguered by the same pressures and types of people that burdened Vicky, Radziwill is a voice in the wilderness.
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« Reply #218 on: December 14, 2007, 02:20:33 PM »
here are some pics i found






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« Reply #219 on: December 15, 2007, 01:04:20 AM »
I do believe in Catherine in her critque of Berlin high society, even the Kaiserin ( Dona) was not above being critized by these conservative junkers.  >:(

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« Reply #220 on: December 15, 2007, 12:56:11 PM »
Everyone gets criticized. There is no way Dona or Cecilie suffered from bein ostracized the way Vicky (and Fritz) were.

I also do not know who you are meaning when you refer to "conservative junkers" as some sort of defined group. the junkers were collectively  the prussian nobility. who are you talking about?
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« Reply #221 on: December 17, 2007, 08:03:01 PM »
The conservative factors at court, who made up of the "Helleluyah Aunts". Moretta and Dona's sister also mention them as they stifful any fun or changes at court. You think someone like Cecilie would have got out scot free without being critized for her modern ideas is really unrealistic ::).

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Re: Crownprince Wilhelm & Crownprincess Cecilie, their family, Part I
« Reply #222 on: December 18, 2007, 09:53:58 AM »
Eric, I think you are too victimized by television and Hollywood!  :)

Cecilie enjoyed a very positive and rewarding life as Kronprincessin in spite of some marital strife. People will be people, and low levels of gossip are going to happen. surely QEII has been gossiped about, too, but to claim she "suffers" would be silly, just as it is to suggest that of Cecilie.
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« Reply #223 on: December 18, 2007, 08:26:53 PM »
Not really...It was common knowlege that her marriage was not a happy one...no Hollywood drama is needed.  :(

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Re: Crownprince Wilhelm & Crownprincess Cecilie, their family, Part I
« Reply #224 on: December 18, 2007, 09:55:48 PM »
Cecile did have some criticism levelled at her for being a bit frivolous but no one is ever universally popular and it certainly wasn't on the scope of the abuse heaped on the Empress Frederick (who was criticized for being the very opposite of frivolous, too intellectual and politically involved). Her marriage also disintegrated somewhat early and the Crown Prince was a less than ideal husband. Nonetheless, the 2 remained amicable up until the end, appearing together for many family functions with apparently little strife. The separate lives they led seemed to actual preserve good will between them. Also, much like Rose Kennedy, Cecile devoted herself to a disabled child and this gave her some real purpose, I think. Thankfully for both Cecile and Alexandrine, Crown Prince Wilhelm wasn't the type to swoop in and attempt to have the 'problem' 'fixed' while his wife was away on a needed vacation.
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