Anna Anderson and Anastasia

[John Sarkissian]

Rob,
I recently posted a comment about why mosr picture comparisons use pictures from similar angles, not to make them look similar but because it is the only logical way to show similarities, since pictures from different angles of the same person can often be misleading to the identity of the person.
However this reply either didn't get posted, or ot was removed. I believe I posted it under the photo aging discussion group. But it is not even there?

John

[Forum Admin]

John
Not my doing. I do not remember the post, and certainly did not remove it for any reason.

[Katharina]

According to Ian Vorres, Dr. Kostrizky, the dentist of the imperial family, testified that the jaws of Mrs.Tchaikovsky-Anderson had nothing in common with the jaws-of which there was a plaster impression-of Grand Duchess Anastasia.

Where did you find this information?

Jmentanko,
this text can be found in the book "The Last Grand Duchess" by Ian Vorres, 2001 edition, ISBN 1552633020, p. 253, Notes to Chapter Nine, Note 1 (4) right column.

Can anybody confirm Ian Vorres' statement? Do you think he got this information from Grand Duchess Olga?

[investigator]

Ok if Anna Anderson was not Anastasia how come she knew about that trip her uncle Grand Duke Ernst of Hesse made to Russia in 1916 when his country and Russia were at war.  So how did she know this? Who told her?  I mean i am sure she did not read this in a book.  She had to be there to know this.  I know what the DNA report says and in view of that report Anna Anderson was not Anastasia.  

Well it is sad to see Anna Anderson because it seems that she was not a normal person and was very disturbed.  I truly hope from my heart that Anastasia survived and lived a complete life because it somehow lessens the tradegy.  

[BobAtchison]

Unfortunately for F.S. this trip never took place, so F.S. recounting the story is no indicator of her having special, insider knowlege of any kind.

Bob

[BobAtchison]

Marine Beddleston (Vassily's daughter) and Andrew Romanov told me that once FS knew the Imperial dentist was coming to examine her mouth she had all of her teeth pulled.

When FS walked into the hospital chapel with Olga she crossed herself instinctively in the Catholic manner - had she been one of the Tsar's daughters she never would have done this.  A Polish Catholic would.

There were other indicators that she wasn't Tatiana or Anastasia they told me but those are the two that pop out in my mind and the one about the dentist directly relates to this thread.

They heard this directly from Olga and other members of the family.

Bob

[Jmentanko]

If I recall correctly Anna Anderson was "married" to some man before she was found in Berlin. They were married in a Catholic ceremony. I go to a Catholic school and if I remember correctly (I could be wrong) you have to be baptized Catholic before you can be married in a Catholic ceremony.

Therefore, I think that the story about her marriage corresponds with how she crosses herself. It makes sense.

[LisaDavidson]

Actually, both parties don't have to be Roman Catholic to be married in the RC church. If one is and the other agrees to raise the children RC, then they are allowed to marry.

[Jmentanko]

Thanks for clearing that up. The main reason I believed it to be true was because before my Aunt and Uncle were married Catholic he "had" to be baptized Catholic. Everyone told me it was because they both had to be RC to be married RC!

And to think it was all a big lie !

[Valmont]

Ok if Anna Anderson was not Anastasia how come she knew about that trip her uncle Grand Duke Ernst of Hesse made to Russia in 1916 when his country and Russia were at war.  So how did she know this? Who told her?  I mean i am sure she did not read this in a book.  She had to be there to know this.  I know what the DNA report says and in view of that report Anna Anderson was not Anastasia.  

Well it is sad to see Anna Anderson because it seems that she was not a normal person and was very disturbed.  I truly hope from my heart that Anastasia survived and lived a complete life because it somehow lessens the tradegy.  

Somehow, deep down in our hearts we wish they could have escaped and live happily ever after. Unfortunatelly, the facts had showed us the contrary.
Anna WAS NOT Gd Anastassia..

Best

Arturo Vega-Llausás

[Joanna Mayer]

This is a very understandable and well expressed notion. Of course the princess ought to live happily ever after...but I dont think that history and fairy tales often match up...sigh!

[borgia]

I wonder if Anna truly did beleive that she was Anastasia;or was she knowingly pulling a hoax,or was she so out of touch with reality ,that she just  had no idea of what she was doing and saying.I read that John,the man she married,was as much a loon that he claimed that Anna was related to several other famous people, who had no connection to the Romanovs.

[Jmentanko]

Whoever Anna Anderson is I am certain that she believed inside she was GD Anastasia. I don't think anyone can keep a front like she did for as long as she did.

I don't like Manahan. It's my opinion he married Anna only because he thought that she had "connections." I think that is disgusting. He disgusts me.

[Namarolf]

What about Queen Sophia and Juan Carlos of Spain? I think they got married in an Orthodox Church in Athens (I recall a pic of them with the marriage crowns about their heads), so I guess she was still Orthodox. And if she was -did the Roman Catholic Church allows a Roman Catholic to get married in a non Catholic ceremony? Was there a Roman Catholic ceremony also? I would be very thankful if some of our friends from Spain in this forum could provide some details  about this.

[Darius]

Juan Carlos of Bourbon and Sofia of Greece were married in May 1962 by Catholic and Orthodox rites.The Catholic service came first in the San Dionisio Church followed by an Orthodox ceremonyin Athens Metropolitan Cathedral. I imagine that although Don Juan Carlos was only designated by Franco as his successor rather that a Prince of Asturias or an Actual monarch as in the case of his grandfather Alfonso XIII Sofia would have been required to convert to Roman Catholicism as in the case of her predecessor Victoria Eugenie of Battenburg prior to her marriage to Alfonso XIII in 1906.