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Re: Not allowed to be Tsar?
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2007, 03:46:44 AM »
Wow! Yes, he does seem to be getting his facts extremely mixed up, to say the least. However, on closer examination there are certain "grains of truth" (or in this case "half truths")...for example the statement that Alexei "tried to kill himself". Obviously we all know that the Tsarevich did not attempt to commit suicide, BUT taken in a more figurative sense, it could be referring to the various escapades such as riding a toboggin down the stairs etc etc. Seems as if this teacher is CONFUSED and inaccurate. Problem is, it is very difficult to correct teachers...my son tried it once when his English teacher made a very obvious mistake and instead of thanking him she gave him detention and criticised him dreadfully for the rest of the school year (I felt she deliberately withheld marks in various tests, but obviously we could not prove anything). I attempted to pour oil on troubled waters on a few occasions, but to no avail, and to have complained would only have made the situation worse. Thankfully the teacher left the school a short time afterwards. Anyway, I do sympathise, as such problems (i.e. ignorant teachers) are not easy to deal with.

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« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2007, 10:11:55 AM »
I would not be as tolerant, I am afraid. I would ask for PROOF of these statements. That is- tell me where I can read it for myself. I had some very dogmatic teachers in my school years, but every time I asked for sources, they gave them to me. OR admitted they did not know for sure but challenged me to prove otherwise. Which I did, if I was correct. However, this teacher looks like a lost cause to me. I usually give teachers the benefit of the doubt, but the more you tell us, the less benefit and the more doubt.

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« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2007, 01:08:23 PM »
I've never read of such a document anywhere.

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« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2007, 01:39:51 PM »
dmitri, I think the reason you have never seen such documents is because they simply do not exsist!  I have not seen them either. Me thinks the so-called teacher is dellusional.

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« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2007, 05:08:41 PM »
Or perhaps trying to make his student come up with evidence to contradict him.  :)

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« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2007, 05:15:38 PM »
Good answer, Lexi4, but a decent teacher should be able to back up what he/she says. From my reading of this therad, the teacher   refused challenge. Do you not think so?

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Re: Not allowed to be Tsar?
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2007, 06:24:06 AM »
I've never ever seen such a document mentioned in any book on the Romanovs.

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« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2007, 06:41:30 PM »
In reply to that question and comments from the teacher I am not aware of such could or did take place, but their is a lady in Burnaby British Columbia Canada named Sandra Romanov who would know the answer.

Sandra's husband claimed to be the missing Alexi and some facts may prove he was.  Be that he was or was not, Sandra Romanov knows all answers to all questions about past Romanov royals,not from reading or been on computor, but from what her husband some forty years older than her told her many years past.

I have had various conversations with her on her husbands claim and not once did she not have true answer.

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Re: Not allowed to be Tsar?
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2007, 01:32:04 AM »
... Sandra's husband claimed to be the missing Alexi ...

I have had various conversations with her on her husbands claim and not once did she not have true answer.

William

Did you have by any chance have the opportunity to ask the good lady to explain what a "Tsetsarevich" was?

I do hope that she will be considering a new headstone for her belated Estonian-born husband and help return his real identity to the world.

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Re: Not allowed to be Tsar?
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2007, 01:45:16 AM »
I have just read a thread....as I posted a question about it, it should be directly below this one (unless of course somebody else posted something in the meantime)....which mentions a rumour that there exists a Ukaze (or decree) reportedly written and signed by Nicholas after nearly losing Alexei in Spala, that repealed the male only rule of succession and named Olga as Empress-presumptive should Alexei die. Maybe this is what the teacher was referring to??

... My professor said that there was a document drawn up when Alexei was very young that said he could never be Tsar no matter what.

A couple of weeks ago this same professor also said that Alexei repeatedly tried to kill himself.

And this chap goes by the title of "professor"???  Could you please ask him to offer specific references to support his notions? Those "facts" appear to have by-passed most of us. Thanks.

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Re: Not allowed to be Tsar?
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2007, 07:17:58 AM »

 I would like to answer this suicide question.  It appeared in two films Nicholas and Alexandra and Anastasia Mystery of Anna. They were both written by the same man James Goldman.  JUST BECAUSE YOU SAW IT IN A MOVIE DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE!!!!!!!

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« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2007, 10:25:51 AM »
One can speculate about Alexei's state of mind, of course. His life was frustrating  and indeed boring what with his health problems and the newly imposed restrictions.  It must have been extremely depressing for an want-to-be active 13 year old boy.  Overly smothered by his mother and coddled by his sisters. His reckliess behavior would very well be a natural reaction for a child in his position.  I am not saying that this state of mind led him to attempt suicide, but it certainly could have.  However, this teacher is an obvious quack, so I would not believe much of what he says in respect to the Romanovs.

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« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2007, 12:00:24 PM »
IMO, as very religious persons, they can not imagine suicide...
« Last Edit: September 10, 2007, 12:02:11 PM by Lisa »

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« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2007, 12:08:17 PM »
Religous or not, anyone can "imagine " suicide. Sometimes even the pressures and guilt imposed by religion has driven people to it. There is no sin in imagining it, nor even in contemplating it. This where spiritual guidance comes in, if one is religous.  The sin is acting upon it.

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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2007, 09:44:30 PM »
... Sandra's husband claimed to be the missing Alexi ...

I have had various conversations with her on her husbands claim and not once did she not have true answer.

William

Did you have by any chance have the opportunity to ask the good lady to explain what a "Tsetsarevich" was?

I do hope that she will be considering a new headstone for her belated Estonian-born husband and help return his real identity to the world.

Margarita