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portrait identification
« on: March 05, 2007, 02:18:22 AM »
According to today's Daily Mail, this miniature has been positively identified by David Starkey and specialists
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The jewel (brooch) has been identified as belonging to her and the spray of foliage at the back of the brooch is the Dudley badge.
Almost forgot to add....she is Lady Jane Grey.
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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2007, 04:04:54 AM »
she looks rather sulky  :P
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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2007, 03:59:38 PM »
Hi Kim, I've just noticed your scary Clytemnestra atavar! :o

We've seen this before with Tudor portraits! The only connection with Jane seems to be the age of the subject 17-18, which according to Starkey means that Jane was older than we've always thought! I suppose that's possible, but it's all circumstantial (including the jewellery) evidence. Even if the name Jane was there, which it isn't), there were dozens of Janes to choose from, as we've already discussed somewhere. So I'm sceptical...

Did anyone notice that Liz Hurley was having the first part of her wedding at Kate Parr's old place, Sudeley Castle?
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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2007, 04:40:18 PM »
Winchcombe inhabitants weren't allowed to park outside their own houses for THAT wedding >:(
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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2007, 03:24:16 AM »
(Clytemnestra is my heroine ;))

hm, i take it you're not very happilly married  :D
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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 06:39:47 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D my husband adores me........he HAS to ;)
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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2007, 01:21:06 PM »
The jewel (brooch) has been identified as belonging to her

I don't know.. Didn't they do this once before (id her by her jewel) and turned out to be wrong? What makes them so sure now? If this is indeed LJ, she is not at all as I imagined her!

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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2007, 02:20:06 PM »
This was always thought to be Jane but it turns out she is Kate Parr. Once again it was identified as such by the jewels. I think they use the jewellry to indentify the sitter
because they have been inventoried in the past. Correct me if this is wrong ???
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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2007, 03:53:16 PM »
This was always thought to be Jane but it turns out she is Kate Parr. Once again it was identified as such by the jewels.

That's what I had in mind, but I forgot and was thinking the reverse, that they id'ed her as Jane by her jewels... I wonder how reliable this jewel identification is... After all, it's not like these jewels are surgically attached to them! Seems a little odd to put so much stock into it...

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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2007, 12:59:36 AM »
Here's another supposed image of Lady Jane Grey.  She seems to be popping up several places all of a sudden.
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,11711,1687349,00.html

I'm no good at comparing these old images.  Could they both possibly be Lady Jane?  Are the similarities due to the style of the time or are the differences due to the different style of the artists? 

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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2007, 06:33:47 AM »
I read that the sitter is Elizabeth Tudor.

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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2007, 07:31:02 PM »
This was always thought to be Jane but it turns out she is Kate Parr. Once again it was identified as such by the jewels. I think they use the jewellry to indentify the sitter
because they have been inventoried in the past. Correct me if this is wrong ???


Sort of looks like Anne Boleyn, but I doubt it really is

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Re: portrait identification
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2010, 10:12:15 AM »
According to today's Daily Mail, this miniature has been positively identified by David Starkey and specialists
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The jewel (brooch) has been identified as belonging to her and the spray of foliage at the back of the brooch is the Dudley badge.
Almost forgot to add....she is Lady Jane Grey.

I don't know... For me she looks more like the young Mary I...