Titles of Felix and Irina

[Ally Kumari]

Thank you Marlene! That´s what I wanted to know.

[Teddy]

And not to forget the discussion of the Russian court (Alexander II) and the English court (Queen Victoria) when Prince Alfred, Duke of Sachsen-Coburg Gotha married Grand Duchess Maria Alexandovna. The Russians wanted that the HIH title would remain, while the English would not hear of it, because she would outshine princess Alexandra married to Prince Edward, while she was a Crown Princess during courtfunctions.

A wife always took her husband's title -- she did not stop being a Grand Duchess, but she would be styed by her husband's title - but with her own HIH because she did not lose that at marriage.  Grand Duchess Helen for example was HIH Princess Nicholas of Greece after her marriage.

I know. I was asking for a different reason. IF any Grand Duchess married a Prince (which is a lower title) would she become Princess or would she be allowed to keep her "higher rank"? That is what I meant.

[LisaDavidson]

Yes, we have thoroughly beaten this topic to death.

My fault! i missed the date of discussion. but i wanted to make clear some points. to be honesty, there a few people even in russia (country with imperial past) who exactly knows about word "princess of the blood" ))))

haha, there are enough questions for beaten topic ))))

By the way, I did not say there shouldn't be any more discussion - it's just there were numerous posts that essentially said the same thing - and I thought enough already!

Marlene is correct about the style and title issue - as relates to a Grand Duchess marrying a man of lesser rank.

[kmerov]

And the same goes for GDss Maria Pavlovna (Younger one) when she married in Sweden, and retained the HIH. That also caused some problems with the other royals.
On the other hand, marrying commoners, gave Irina, GDss Olga Alexandrovna and Nadeshda Petrovna more freedom to move after the revolution, since they were not considered Romanovs anymore.

[Marie-Mathilde]

I think when Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna married the swedish prince she actually did away with being an Imperial Highness and instead became a Royal Highness, so she wouldn't out-rank her husband. Sometimes they become a Imperial & Royal Highness or, less frequently, a Royal & Imperial Highness (as was the case with Maria Alexandrovna, at QV's insistence). When "Grand Duchess" Maria Kirrilovna married a German prince who was a serene highness she simply kept herself as a "Imperial Highness" because the Imperial completely out-ranked the Serene title, wheras both Imperial & Royal are quite grand styles.

[LisaDavidson]

I think when Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna married the swedish prince she actually did away with being an Imperial Highness and instead became a Royal Highness, so she wouldn't out-rank her husband. Sometimes they become a Imperial & Royal Highness or, less frequently, a Royal & Imperial Highness (as was the case with Maria Alexandrovna, at QV's insistence). When "Grand Duchess" Maria Kirrilovna married a German prince who was a serene highness she simply kept herself as a "Imperial Highness" because the Imperial completely out-ranked the Serene title, wheras both Imperial & Royal are quite grand styles.

Do you have a source for this? Everything that I've read indicates that pre-Revolution. born Grand Duchesses took their husband's titles but retained their styles. So, HIH The Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna would have become HIH Princess Maria of Sweden.

[Marie-Mathilde]

Well for one thing Maria Pavlovna, when she married Prince Vilhelm, gained the style of Royal Highness and would have become a Imperial and Royal Highness not just an Imperial Highness. As for where I found this out, I think it was on this board when talking about how Maria Pavlovna liked to be styled , officially, simply as a Royal Highness so she didn't make her husband feel inferior. However the King of Sweden always insisted that, in private, she be addressed by her correct style of Imperial and Royal Highness which greatly irked Vilhelm. Also wikipedia states that another pre-1918 Romanov bride, Elena Vladimirovna, after her marriage to a royal prince was styled as a Imperial and Royal Highness.

[Romanov_Fan19]

are you sure she was not born HIH Ive never heard her addressed as HH Thank You

[Svetabel]

are you sure she was not born HIH Ive never heard her addressed as HH Thank You

One more time:

Irina was Her Highness the Princess of Imperial Blood, she was not Her Imperial Highness or Grand Duchess.

Where you never heard addressing her as HH ?? Many sources often mix up the titles, but the Law was that she was the Princess of Imperial Blood.


Or do you speak bout GDss Maria Pavlovna-younger? Please state your question more clearly. Thanks.

[ashdean]

are you sure she was not born HIH Ive never heard her addressed as HH Thank You

One more time:

Irina was Her Highness the Princess of Imperial Blood, she was not Her Imperial Highness or Grand Duchess.

Where you never heard addressing her as HH ?? Many sources often mix up the titles, but the Law was that she was the Princess of Imperial Blood.


Or do you speak bout GDss Maria Pavlovna-younger? Please state your question more clearly. Thanks.

In Rauvingys titled nobility of Europe.Irina is HH Princess Felix Youssoupoff