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Janis Joplin's Plantagenet ancestry
« on: April 09, 2007, 10:24:51 AM »
I didn't know if I should post this here or in the Having Fun! Forums. If this should be posted there, I beg the moderators to replace it.


Well, I've been a fan of Janis Joplin's music for quite a few years now and last night, by chance, I was able to put together two of my greatest passions together, when I found a page in which several famous people are related through very far away blood ties with the owners of the page and members of royalty. That's how I found out that one of Janis Joplin's ancestors was Hamelin Plantagenet, half-brother to King Henry II if England, as he was a bastard son of Geoffrey d'Anjou. It goes as follows:


1.   Janis Lyn Joplin (1943-1970)
2.   Dorothy Bonita East (1913-1998)
3.   Laura Mildred Hanson (1890-1958)
4.   Herbert Milton Hanson (1879-1966)
5.   Henry W. Hanson (1846-)
6.   John Milton Hanson (1807-1887)
7.   Persis Gunn (1779-1814)
8.   Asahel Gunn (1757-1834)
9.   Asahel Gunn (1730-1796)
10.   Esther Belden (1697-1734)
11.   Stephen Belden (1658-1720)
12.   Samuel Belden (1632-1713)
13.   Richard Belden (1591-1655)
14.   Francis Baildon (1560-1622)
15.   George Baildon (1521-1588)
16.   Robert Baildon (1499-1559)
17.   John Baildon (1468-1526)
18.   Walter Baildon (1448-1511)
19.   Robert Baildon (1427-1473)
20.   Janet Fitz William (1399-)
21.   John Fitz William (1377-1417)
22.   William Fitz William (1340-1398)
23.   John Fitz William (1327-1385)
24.   John Fitz William (1278-1349)
25.   William Fitz William (1265-1342)
26.   William Fitz William (1234-)
27.   William Fitz William (1208-1294)
28.   Thomas Fitz William (1185-1266)
29.   Ella de Warenne (1164-)
30.   Hamelin Plantagenet (1129-1202)
31.   Geoffrey Plantagenet (1113-1151)

The source is:    http://www.maplenet.net/~trowbridge/genealogy.htm


I just wanted to comment on it because I think it’s somehow curious and amusing, to found out that Janis Joplin was related (although by very, very far blood ties) with the majority of European royalty, as most of them descend from Geoffrey through his son Henry II.

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Re: Janis Joplin's Plantagenet ancestry
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2007, 04:14:52 PM »
I have also seen an interview with Kathryn Hepburn when she was talking about "the Lion in winter" and she said that she was a direct descendant of Eleneor of Acquaitaine.. ANyone else heard anything abou that?\

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Re: Janis Joplin's Plantagenet ancestry
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2007, 12:08:33 PM »
considering that about half the english people are descending from edward 1st it should come as no surprise...
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Re: Janis Joplin's Plantagenet ancestry
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2007, 12:30:34 PM »
considering that about half the english people are descending from edward 1st it should come as no surprise...

Yeah, but Hepburn was American. Her family has lived in Connecticut for several generations. It's generally a bit of a surprise when it's discovered that an American is related to royalty.

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Re: Janis Joplin's Plantagenet ancestry
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2007, 05:27:00 PM »
Well IMO i think she played a WONDErFUL Eleanore.... Much better than Glenn (no offense to Glenn)....

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Re: Janis Joplin's Plantagenet ancestry
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2007, 05:30:31 PM »
considering that about half the english people are descending from edward 1st it should come as no surprise...

Yeah, but Hepburn was American. Her family has lived in Connecticut for several generations. It's generally a bit of a surprise when it's discovered that an American is related to royalty.

Yes but a lot of Americans are descended from Europeans, right?  ;)
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Re: Janis Joplin's Plantagenet ancestry
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2007, 12:58:38 AM »
considering that about half the english people are descending from edward 1st it should come as no surprise...

Yeah, but Hepburn was American. Her family has lived in Connecticut for several generations. It's generally a bit of a surprise when it's discovered that an American is related to royalty.

Yes but a lot of Americans are descended from Europeans, right?  ;)

Absolutely. But that's no guarantee they're descended from Edward I.

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Re: Janis Joplin's Plantagenet ancestry
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2007, 05:29:54 AM »


It's certainly not a guarantee, but it's quite surprising that so many singers, actors and politicians descend from royalty even though they descend from a very distant line!!
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Re: Janis Joplin's Plantagenet ancestry
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2007, 05:27:17 PM »
Actually, Americans are more likely to be descended from Edward I / Robert the Bruce. Their ancestors were the mobile, affluent sort, unlike the people who stayed and married in their own villages, and were less likely to mingle with the royal descendants.
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Re: Janis Joplin's Plantagenet ancestry
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2007, 10:24:23 PM »
As a genealogist I can say that many many Americans are descended from the Plantagenets.  As someone above said, many of the early emigrants were mobile and affluent.  They were able to afford passage on a ship and had the resources to begin a new life in a new land.  Many of the English emigrants pre-1700 were of the middle and upper classes: second sons, merchants, clergy, etc.  These people were for the most part descended from Edward I and other Plantagenets.  Most Americans who can trace their AMERICAN ancestors to pre-1700 have royal descents.  Many people have multilple proven descents, both legitimate and illegitimate.  That is why so many presidents and early entertainers claim royal descent--they descend, in part, from that group of people.  It should not come as a huge surprise to anyone.
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