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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #105 on: October 22, 2005, 10:41:02 PM »
I have a book called "Ladies of the Russian Court by Meriel Buchanan. One chapter is completly dedicated to Princess Yussupova. It was a very nice read band insight from someone who actually knew her.

I learned how ill the princess really was right before the war. Her husband took her to a spa in Germany hoping she would be  healed. She was so weak, she had to be carried off the train in a strecher.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #106 on: October 23, 2005, 09:47:42 AM »
I've never heard of that book! What else does it say? What was wrong with her? Felix said something about her 'taking the waters'.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #107 on: October 23, 2005, 12:22:39 PM »
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I have a book called "Ladies of the Russian Court by Meriel Buchanan. One chapter is completly dedicated to Princess Yussupova. It was a very nice read band insight from someone who actually knew her.

I learned how ill the princess really was right before the war. Her husband took her to a spa in Germany hoping she would be  healed. She was so weak, she had to be carried off the train in a strecher.

Could you please post details....i.e.publisher,year. Thanks

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #108 on: October 24, 2005, 03:26:39 AM »
The book was published by Gilbert's Royal Books. The copyright is listed as 2005 and was printed in Cananda. I bought this on Ebay earlier this year.

It lists Meriel Buchanan as the author and it has 6 chapters.

1. Grand Duchess Marie Pavlona
2. Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaievna
3. Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna
4. Grand Duchess Cyril Vladimirovich
5. Dowager Empress Marie Feodorovna
6. Princess Zenaide Yousoupoff

Meriel Buchanan states these intresting things that stood out about Princess Zenaide

1. " She had a remarkable talent for the stage; and, had she been born in another sphere, she might have won fame for both an actress and a dancer, but although there were private theatres at Arkhangelskoie and in the palace on the Moika, which were often used for professional and amateur theatricals, she seldom performed in public herself. "

2. She was " Delicate in health, easily exhausted, essentially feminine"

3. How she almost lost her mind when she saw the body of her dead son Nicholas.

4. How she never complained about her lost fortune or talked about it

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #109 on: October 24, 2005, 05:51:31 AM »
Thankyou Ashanti, Sounds like it is a modern compilation of Chapters from "Victorian Gallery" & "Queen Victoria's Relations". Nice to see though Miss B is back in print.

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« Reply #110 on: October 29, 2005, 12:19:02 PM »
Hey, in Greg Kings - "The Murder of Rasputin" their is a lot of info on Zinaida and the Yussopovas! Poor Zinaida, it must have been awful to have gone in to exile!!!  :'(
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #111 on: October 29, 2005, 02:09:30 PM »
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Hey, in Greg Kings - "The Murder of Rasputin" their is a lot of info on Zinaida and the Yussopovas! Poor Zinaida, it must have been awful to have gone in to exile!!!  :'(

Yes it must have been heartbreaking to loose homes and possessions, to be unable to visit her son's grave etc...not to mention wealth,influence and position...BUT the Princess was luckier than most.....Her depature from Russia (was to say the least) of the easiest variety AND she left with all her family.....Exile was to be cruel,especially as her husband fell ill almost immediately but not as harsh as many had to endure....at the end of the day the Princess who have no doubt reflected that some of her sufferings in exile were nothing compared to Nicholas's death......

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #112 on: October 29, 2005, 02:17:34 PM »
Thats all very true lancashireladandre! Apparently she remained quite cheerful and didn't dwell on it to much!!

She seemed to age well, much better than Felix and Irina did.

Would love to see more pictures of Zinaida if their are any? She is realy beginning to catch my interest!!!
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« Reply #113 on: October 29, 2005, 04:36:41 PM »
Thank you! lovely pic, would love to see some more close up ones. She was stunning!!!!     :)

I just read that Zenaide had a meeting with the Alexandra and when she tied to inform Alexandra of Rasputins true colours she ordered Zenaide to leave and told her "I hope I never see you again!" dramatic stuff!
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #114 on: October 30, 2005, 02:05:48 AM »
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Thank you! lovely pic, would love to see some more close up ones. She was stunning!!!!     :)

I just read that Zenaide had a meeting with the Alexandra and when she tied to inform Alexandra of Rasputins true colours she ordered Zenaide to leave and told her "I hope I never see you again!" dramatic stuff!

There seems to have been more than one spat/ encounter!!.The girls it seems had first fallen out (perhaps in the Crimea)before 1914 as at Felix & Irina's wedding they did not speak.Then during the war Zenaida requested an audience and was asked to leave as in an almost identical repetition was Ella soon afterward.I think though savy,  Zenaida also thought that she was just the latest in a long line of powerful courtiers( after all that was how her family had built up their wealth & position)and her advice would be heeded. Alexandra,neurotic and prickly to say the least , thought  the Princess was an"over mighty subject",who with others was at the head of a corterie of enemies, part of a evergrowing gang of conspirators. Of course she wouldn't listen( did she ever!). Zenaida's "banishment" from court, may have been one of the main reasons, indeed the sole catalyst for Felix to begin plotting in earnest.

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« Reply #115 on: October 30, 2005, 03:01:32 AM »
Thank you Andre, very interesting!  :)
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #116 on: October 30, 2005, 11:34:45 PM »
Pictures of Zinaida that I believe have not been posted on this thread.






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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #117 on: November 01, 2005, 01:25:10 AM »
No problem ;D

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #118 on: November 27, 2005, 12:23:00 PM »
I have read that Zinaida and her husband were very different personalities and as felix writes in his book that her husband never really undersood her. I believe she married a wrong man. She would have been far happy marrying sadro or Konstantin Konstantinovich who were in love with her.But that apart, the question i have is " is it possible that count felix sumarkoff elston was a gold digger who married her for money?" I dont know much about him so cannot give an opinion. I would like to know what other people think about this

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #119 on: November 27, 2005, 02:43:41 PM »
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I have read that Zinaida and her husband were very different personalities and as felix writes in his book that her husband never really undersood her. I believe she married a wrong man. She would have been far happy marrying sadro or Konstantin Konstantinovich who were in love with her.But that apart, the question i have is " is it possible that count felix sumarkoff elston was a gold digger who married her for money?" I dont know much about him so cannot give an opinion. I would like to know what other people think about this

Personally,I do not think Count Felix was a gold digger.He was a typical product of his world.Harsh,strict,militaristic.Not at all at ease in the glittering,arty world, that was more Zenaida's milieu.KR or Sandro or either of the Obolensky brothers would have been more understanding,more in tune with that world.But the marriage was a love match.The Soumarokov's were a wealthy family.Despite the fact there were several brothers & two sisters, Count Felix was not a pauper, so marriage to an immense heiress was something else that was not a nesscaity.