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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #75 on: April 12, 2005, 02:23:26 PM »
I have a little question: when zinaida got married, her father asked for her husband Felix to take on the family name so it would not die out upon Zinaida's death.

My question is, could a married woman just keep her family name or did she have to take her husband's name? I was reading that Queen Elizabeth II didn't take her husband's name when they first married.

So I was wondering if a woman could keep her maiden name although she was married.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #76 on: April 12, 2005, 06:40:41 PM »
Zenaida's father (P Nicholas Yussupov) asked Emperor Alexander III for  permision that  Zenaida's  husband could change his last name, so the Yussupov name would not die with Zenaida's  deth.
That is the reason why Felix Yussupov sometimes is  mentioned as "Felix Felixovich Sumarakov-Elston". I also found  a Russian Surname's web page, and when I checked "Yussupov"  it said that it has died with Zenaida's death.. I believe that maybe the line did died with P Yussupova's death, but the name died with  Baby's death...

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2005, 10:11:17 AM »
I have seen it written that the name officially died with Irina in 1970. The line still hasn't died, as Bebe's daughter and granddaughter are still alive. If Bebe's granddaughter dies without a child, then the line will also die :(

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2005, 10:21:29 AM »
So could Zinaida or any other woman who was the last of her line keep her name? Or did her husband have to take her name in order for her to continue to use it?

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #79 on: April 13, 2005, 11:38:01 AM »
I think that The Emperor has to approve the right of husband of Yussupov's girl to take the family name.
Only Tsar . But it is in Russia.
Maybe in Europe , it is more simple.

As for her life in exile, I found the following item:  
it seems that  she said" the trials which were sent to us- they are for our sins".
As far as she had the money and energy, she helped Russians in Roma. She made in Roma Job Bureau , free
trattoria for russian people who went abroad without any money. She also opened an atelier  where the underwear were made. She sent it to the poor Russians.
So she accepted her new position but not only accepted such  misery position, but also tried to help others to find new way of living.
After her husband's death , she came to Paris to be closer to the son and to the grand daughter. And then, she died on 1939.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #80 on: April 13, 2005, 02:12:43 PM »
Ah, so a petition could be sent to the Tsar asking for a daughter to keep thier family name even after marriage. I was having trouble finding other examples outside of Zinaida but I was sure I had read about it somewhere.

As for her life after the revolution, what I wouldn't give to see a movie on her or read a bio just about her. I find Zinaida to be one of the most fascinating characters( outside the IF) that was involve in the entire drama that played out before and after 1918.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #81 on: April 25, 2005, 12:41:50 AM »
Just found a picture of Princess Zinaida Yussupova which I had never seen before

http://www.royal-magazin.de/russia/jussupov/queen-marie-antoinette-diamonds.htm
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #82 on: April 25, 2005, 09:57:35 AM »
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Just found a picture of Princess Zinaida Yussupova which I had never seen before

http://www.royal-magazin.de/russia/jussupov/queen-marie-antoinette-diamonds.htm


Thanks! I have a small, blurry version of this, but this one is much better!

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #83 on: April 25, 2005, 10:21:14 AM »
I had never seen it before and I was like, " is that Zinaida?" only to realize yes it was!

The website is basically talking about the Yussupov jewlery. But I loved that picture of her.

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #84 on: May 09, 2005, 05:00:27 AM »
I thought you'd all like to see some photos of Zenaida's second cousin, my aunt Ljuba Alexandrovna Narishkina - here is one when she was 19 years old:




Here is one of Ljuba Alexandrovna and her brother, my father, Vadim Alexandrovitch Narishkin, taken round about 1895:




Another one of Ljuba and Vadim taken at the same time:



And one of Vadim, taken on that same day - I see a slight resemblance with the profile photo of Zenaida as a child:




Click on the thumbnails for the full-sized pictures.
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #85 on: May 09, 2005, 05:08:21 AM »
For some reason, the thumbnail link to a photo of Ljuba Alexandrovna Narishkina dressed up for a costume ball doesn't work - I don't want to post the full-sized photo as it is fairly large, so just click on the link below:

http://img93.echo.cx/my.php?image=liubaalexandrovna1913ii5tk.jpg

I had presumed that it was the famous 1913 Jubilee costume ball, but I think I may well be mistaken - it could have been a costume ball sometime around 1904 - 1906, in Saint Petersburg.

I don't know about you, but I do see a resemblance between Ljuba and Zenaida.
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #86 on: May 09, 2005, 11:18:45 AM »
Vera, your photo is from the famous 1903 Costume Ball in the Winter Palace.  

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #87 on: May 09, 2005, 04:29:34 PM »
Thank you Vera, for sharing your photographs with all of us.  They are so very beautiful!  Have you any more???
..Arleen

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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2005, 06:01:12 AM »
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Vera, your photo is from the famous 1903 Costume Ball in the Winter Palace.

Thanks, Admin. This does make sense, since she looks so much younger in that photo than in the 1909 photo.

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Thank you Vera, for sharing your photographs with all of us.  They are so very beautiful!  Have you any more?

Thank-you, Arleen, you are all most welcome. Yes, I do have more photos already scanned and uploaded to ImageShack, and a great many more that I haven't yet scanned - my old scanner is acting up, and I haven't yet been able to install my new one, for various reasons.

Here is a photo of my great-uncle Guiorguy Dmitrievitch Narishkin, dressed in what looks like a 17th or 18th century Preobrazhensky Regiment officer's uniform (I believe all the Narishkin males in my branch of the family were incoroprated either in that Regiment or in the Corps of Pages). Guiorguy Dmitrievitch and his siblings were Prince Nikolai Yussupov's first cousins (I am referring to Zinaïda Nikolaevna Yussupova's father, of course). The thumbnail link doesn't seem to work either, so just click on the link:

http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=giorguidmitrievitchnarishkin19.jpg


I'll post more at a later date.
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Re: Princess Zenaida Yusupova - discussion and pictures
« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2005, 09:05:03 AM »
Thank you so much Vera! How exciting it must be to be related to the Yussoupovs! Thanks for sharing!