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Russian Royal Jewels
« on: October 26, 2004, 10:54:40 AM »
where did all the grand Jewellery go

are any of the tiaras now used by other royals

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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2004, 11:11:00 AM »
Last night on one of our PBS stations,  their was a program on England and the royal jewels.

One of the sections showed Queen Elisabeth visiting Russia and she had refrained from wearing Russian  jewels as not to offend the Russians.

The program showed some of the Russian jewels and who owned them and how they had inherited these particular jewels.

The value of these jewels were astronomical.

It would be interesting to see a list of what jewels of the Imperial Russian family ended up in England, other countries, or private hands since some were sold by the communists while trying to raise money ....

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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2004, 11:21:48 AM »
YES, I too would be very much interested in a list of that sort, and especially where exactly they are now located.    ..Arleen

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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2004, 02:12:06 PM »
Royal Jewels of the World is a great site
http://royal-jewels.tripod.com/main.html

but i need help to make a list

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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2004, 02:20:21 PM »
Great Britain



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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2004, 01:31:26 AM »
There is a very interesting story as to how the British Royal Family aquired Marie's Jewels....it is told rather precisely in THE LOST FORTUNES OF THE TSARS by William Clarke a former Bank of England executive who traces what ahppened to Nicholas II's fortune. In short Queen Mary who had a rather voracious appetite when it ame to jewellery acquired the pick of the Dowager Emrpess' jewelley at a fraction of their value. After her deathe The Dowager Emrpesses famous jewel box was spirited from hividore and brought to England osentibly for her daughters,

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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2004, 12:51:59 PM »
DEss MF's jewels were dispersed in London, as a precaution of the Bolshevik govt claiming them from Denmark. A month after the death of MF,  HMKGV was seriously ill and the casket was opened, (76 pieces were inside including the only Faberge Imperial Easter Egg to leave Russia in the possession of it's rightful owner, The Cross of St George Egg)

Hennell and Sons acted on behalf of GDssess XA and OA  and was instructed to sell them discretely as possible, XA withdrew items from sale to the value of £11,415 . Some of the items were unsold by 1933, when they were withdrawn. The total value raised by the sale was £135,624.

HMQM paid the full valuation price for all the items she bought, yes, admittedly in a market depressed by the tidal wave of jewels that sank the values after the revolution. But their full market value all the same, I suppose what I infer is that if displeased I'm sure given the circumstances, they could have sold them to other interested parties. Cartier had offered his services through Irina onto Sandro. Cartier saw the potential of interest in the provenance, (boosting his comission)

Please desist in mailgning a remarkable woman with these oft told, spurious comments.

Maybe we should give thanks to her that we now can see, in their authenticated, fully provenanced perfect as the day certified genuine gems and jewels from that other era. I thank her for recognising their importance not just as an ornament but a memento mori, of more than just it's owner.

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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2004, 09:59:22 PM »
I was in no means maligning the late Queen Mary....however take a moment to read the relative chapters for yourself in the book. and judge for yourself...

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2004, 11:49:23 AM »
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I was in no means maligning the late Queen Mary....however take a moment to read the relative chapters for yourself in the book. and judge for yourself...




I don't believe an firm opinion can be made from just one source. Unfortunately there are many books with hearsay, allegation and conjecture presented as fact.

As historians we have to learn how to discern and to some extent "cross-reference" people in actual contexts to establish (if only satisfying ourselves and no-one else) the most probable and likely events, given known characteristics and previous actions.

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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2004, 04:41:19 PM »
The subject of MF's jewels and their subsequent fate have been thoroughly discussed in another thread.  Neverthelss that is an interesting point that you make DOMOVOII, in saying that Queen Mary had a connoiseur's eye for jewellery (and all the other fine arts it must be said); you are right to suggest that it is thanks to her that some of these jewels are still extant and part of public life.  Every time that Queen Elizabeth is photographed or filmed wearing Grand Duchess Vladimir's sublime diamond and pearl tiara, it gives us a small taste of the splendour of the Romanovs; for this we have Queen Mary to thank.
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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2004, 07:01:22 PM »
Did Tsar Nikolai II's daughters ever get to wear royal tiaras other than the ones that you see them wearing in most photos?

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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2004, 06:10:31 AM »
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Did Tsar Nikolai II's daughters ever get to wear royal tiaras other than the ones that you see them wearing in most photos?


That is a good question.  Does anyone know of any images that show them wearing tiaras?  I happen to think not, but am willing to be proven wrong.  The only head ornaments that I have seen them wearing are the fabric covered kokoshniks that are edged with pearls.  Anyone know different?
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Re: Russian Royal Jewels
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2004, 06:12:59 AM »
Having said all that, there is a theory that amongst the hoard of jewels that the Soviets discovered in Tobolsk, some of the tiaras were intended for the use of the Grand Duchesses in exile.  There were five in total, one for the Empress presumably and then one each for the girls.......
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