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Naslednik Norvezhskiy

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Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« Reply #90 on: October 16, 2010, 10:08:36 PM »
Very interesting, I had never realized that flamboyant Ludwig of Bavaria (through both the Hessians and Prussians) was so closely related to QV's prim and proper brood.

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« Reply #91 on: October 22, 2010, 05:36:44 PM »
Well...You can see some of Ludwig II 's love of art in Ernie. Like his famous cousin, Ernie also enjoyed the company of actors, artists and sought to make Darmstadt the hub of the new form of art...

Maria_Pavlovna

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« Reply #92 on: October 23, 2010, 05:49:11 PM »
they were first cousins.

Two sisters, both daughters of Prince Wilhelm of Prussia and Landgravine Marie Anna of Hesse-Homburg

Princess Elisabeth of Prussia married Prince Karl of Hesse and by Rhine

Princess Marie of Prussia married King Maximilian II of Bavaria


Maria_Pavlovna

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« Reply #93 on: October 23, 2010, 05:50:28 PM »
I haven't notice in a long time of studying of Royals that the Wittelsbach and the Hesses/Prussias were closely related.

Eric_Lowe

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« Reply #94 on: October 24, 2010, 01:11:39 PM »
They were. Princess Karl of Hesse was very close to her sister The Queen of Bavaria.

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« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2010, 02:54:39 PM »
Saw this picture of the two Hohenzollern sisters in the thread about Grand Duke Ludwig IV's parents. (note: Queen of Bavaria is the younger sister)


Princess Elisabeth was able to visit her sister in Bavaria with her Hessian children more often since she wasn't the Grand Duchess of Hesse herself. The Grand Duchess of Hesse at that time was born Princess Mathilde of Bavaria and the eldest sister of Kings Ludwig II and Otto's father. Here is a picture taken of her in Munich


Haven't read anything about Grand Ludwig IV's relationship with his Bavarian cousins beyond his once attended the last performance of one of Richard Wagner's operas with just five other people including himself and King Ludwig II. Would be interested in any anecdotes. His younger brother Wilhelm and King Ludwig II were quite friendly and they were born in 1845. Here is a picture of Ludwig II and Prince Otto of Bavaria (standing) with Prince Wilhelm of Hesse (sitting on the leftside). Taken 1863 in Munich.

Also much is made is made of intensely close friendship between King Ludwig II of Bavaria aka the Mad King and Empress Elisabeth of Austrian aka Sisi. Sisi was the granddaughter of King Maximilian I of Bavaria by his second marriage and King Ludwig II was his great-grandson by his first marriage. Of couse being European Royals, they had many more ancestors in common. But actually his relationship with Sisi only developed in his adulthood and as a child and young man, Ludwig II was very, very close with his first cousin, Princess Anna of Hesse. They corresponded quite frequently and he was very open in those letters. Anna married the widowed Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin before dying in 1865 which was right about the time that Luwig II started up with his more famous friendship with Sisi. Her stepdaughter was Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna, matriarch of the Vladimirovitchi branch.

QUOTE from Christopher McIntosh's "The Swan King"
"As for his relationships with women, these were of the confiding rather than the amorous kind, as they tended to be throughout his life. Apart from his old governess, his main confidante during his adolescence was his cousin, Anna von Hessen-Darmstadt, daughter of his maternal aunt and sister-in-law to Queen Victoria's daughter, Alice, who was married to Prince Louis of Hessen-Darmstadt. In his letters to Anna, two years his senior, Ludwig revealed much about his inner life, his joys, his worries and his friendships."

Grand Duchess of Mecklenburg-Schwerin's picture

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Eric_Lowe

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« Reply #96 on: October 25, 2010, 11:04:19 AM »
Notice the similar facial features of Prince Wilhelm of Hesse & King Ludwig II.  ;)

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Re: Grand Duke Ludwig IV
« Reply #97 on: October 25, 2010, 02:25:59 PM »
Thanks, Hector, for posting the pictures of Anna, LudwigIV' sister. I head read about her but never seen a picture of her afore.

Eric_Lowe

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« Reply #98 on: October 25, 2010, 03:14:54 PM »
I think Anna died young I think...

Maria_Pavlovna

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« Reply #99 on: October 26, 2010, 01:34:51 PM »
she did, she died at 21 from puerperal fever a week later after giving birth to her only daughter.

her only daughter, Anna of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, died also young at 17, and I can't find any photos of her. Possibly by her early death, she had poor health.
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« Reply #100 on: October 26, 2010, 01:54:55 PM »
Sad cases. No wonder thay say the Hesses were cursed.  :(

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« Reply #101 on: October 27, 2010, 07:58:38 AM »

her only daughter, Anna of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, died also young at 17, and I can't find any photos of her. P

A lot of in the Hesse on-line Archive. Like this one:



I especially like her photos with her half-sister Marie, future GDss Maria Pavlovna.

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« Reply #102 on: October 27, 2010, 08:00:31 AM »
And this one of Anna from 1880 year I think


Maria_Pavlovna

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« Reply #103 on: October 27, 2010, 11:54:36 AM »
wow thank you soo much! may i please have the link to the Hesse on-line Archive? please? thanks.

Eric_Lowe

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« Reply #104 on: October 27, 2010, 12:03:00 PM »
It is not hard to find.  :)