Re: Anna Anderson and the Dauphin pretenders

[rskkiya]

To return to the topic of your thread, Jeremy, you bring up an incredibly interesting parallel, worthy of a book in and of itself.

Have you also looked at English history? There are many historical parallels between the murder of the Russian imperial family and that of the Princes in the Tower - to wit, murdered royal children (in this case, Edward V and his brother, Richard, Duke of York), disappearing corpses (which were not found for some two hundred years), persistent rumors of the children's survival, and the subsequent rise of various pretenders in their name (i.e., Perkin Warbeck and Lambert Simnel).

If you ask me, it was a stroke of genius on the part of the Bolsheviks to keep the murder of the imperial children a mystery for so many years. It deprived the Whites of certain martyrs and lent credence to the stories of various royal claimants, further dividing the anti-Bolshevik cause. It almost makes you think somebody in charge was familiar with Shakespeare's play, "Richard III" - ? But that's doubtful.

Dear Elizabeth...
OUCH!!!
Lets not bring up Richard III  -- if you think that the Romanovs have rabid supporters ( ) wait till you meet the "White Rose/RIII Society" fanatics! LOL
Rskkiya

[Robert_Hall]

Ever been to one of their dinners !
Quite fun to put it mildly.
Cheers !!! to the "King over the water"!
Robert

[Annie]

Didn't people used to not believe the story of the princes in the tower until the bodies were eventually found?

[Annie]

Please do, thanks!

[rskkiya]

Peace and good vibes everyone

The Richard III Society certainly is a scary group of people (Some Richard III fans here in the States have been known to protest outside productions of "Richard III") ..and what's interesting is the society doesn't really have a good explanation as to why Richard III failed to produce the Princes and present them to the public when it would've been well to his advantage to do so...hmmm.....could it be because they were already dead?

Jeremy

Jeremy   PLEASE!
Lets not go into Richard III here--as a so called scary member I don't care to discuss this topic on this thread. (These "Princes" had been declared royal bastards, so why anyone should want to see them is rather moot...) However the bones found have not been proven to be the princes at all! For all we know they may have belonged to anyone !

Peace and Good vibes indeed!
Hail Sweet Richard! House of York!
Rskkiya

PS  Jeremy do private message me if you want to discuss this further....

[glb]Back to TOPIC please![/glb]

[rskkiya]

On Topic!

  Well, it is an interesting notion to examine the psychological state of people who have made "pretender" claims--some are very intelegent people who just want more glamour & excitement in their lives, and some are emotionally unstable.
   I have yet to be convinced of the validity of any modern pretenders. Are there any good books about this that someone might recommend ?

Rskkiya

[Angie_H]

Wonderful information on the topic can be found in Deborah Cadburry's wonderful book "The Lost King of France: A story of revenge, revolution, and DNA"


Jeremy

  

Jeremy this was a great book! Before the IF I loved to read books about the Bourbon dynasty. (Louis XIV and N & A had similar views on their status as sovereign if you ask me) This story was so sad, how Louis XVII captors basically let this little boy rot away in his cell.  It took centuries to find out what happened to him, but when they did, he was where his parents would have put him if they had been able to, buried with his ancestors
Angie

[Michelle]

Jeremy, I'd like to read your new info!!!

[Karentje]

Bring it on jeremy  
Enlighten us, please!!

[Denise]

Yes, please, Jeremy--this is all very interesting.  Please tell us more!!

Denise

[Robert_Hall]

I had mis-stated earlier, it is the Stuart Society that drinks to the "King over the water". Anyway, I have a small book here that tells the story of 27 "Pretenders The The English Throne", by Jeremy Potter. There are probably more.
And, of course we can't forget Zsa Zsa's "Hohenzollern" pretender. And did Barbra Hutton not once marry a pretender to some throne?
Lost Aztec & Inca emperors, and even a few Chinese, one living in Hawaii seems to come & go- he claims to be the rightful Machu Emperor.
Cheers,
Robert

[Elisabeth]

Hi, Jeremy, thanks for coming to my defense! I love the mystery of the Princes in the Tower (although unlike Rskkiya, I don't think it's a mystery any longer!).

But back to the Dauphin pretenders: what about Casper Hauser? Wasn't he the most famous claimant? A very tragic figure, if I remember correctly.

[rskkiya]

Hello Elizabeth
--I am sorry if you feel that you needed to be protected from poor little me! LOL.

Jeremy
 

Please do show us this facinating information. I am quite unaware of this particular event.


rskkiya

[Robert_Hall]

Although there were some similarities with the Daupin & Casper Hauser, they were not related.
Casper Hauser never claimed to be anyone. He had been confined im a castle, uneducated and neglected except for food. He was used as a claimant [cause celebre] in various feuds within the Baden family in post-Napoleonic Gernany. It gets very complicated as he was used and abandoned by various factions, all for their own ends, of course. [see:de Ghislain de Diesbach, SECRETS of the GOTHA]
Cheers,
Robert

[helenazar]

Hi Jeremy,

I have just come over from the other thread where we also started discussing the dauphin pretenders, and I would also like to hear what you've got, when you have the chance to translate that website...

Helen