Re: Anna Anderson and the Dauphin pretenders

[Annie]

Hi Jeremy,

I have just come over from the other thread where we also started discussing the dauphin pretenders, and I would also like to hear what you've got, when you have the chance to translate that website...

Helen

I second that!

[Denise]

I third that motion!!  

[Annie]

Bump since the topic has come up again

[Tania]

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[Robert_Hall]

Interesting that in the case of the dauphin pretenders, there was also at least one pretender to be his sister, Madame Royale, despite the fact that she was very much alive and verified by her own family.

[Annie]

Interesting that in the case of the dauphin pretenders, there was also at least one pretender to be his sister, Madame Royale, despite the fact that she was very much alive and verified by her own family.

People will stop at nothing!

I feel so bad for the poor boy, why was his sister allowed to live and he was treated so poorly?

Here is her story
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Marie-Th%C3%A9r%C3%A8se-Charlotte

Another sad story.

[Annie]

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I answered you on the other thread, here goes again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVII_of_France

"Dauphin" was a term like 'tsarevich' or 'crown prince' meaning heir to the throne. The young son of Marie Antionette and Louis XVI was taken away as a small child, of only 4, held prisoner and treated badly. He was said to have died at age 10, but for many years claimants came forward pretending to be him. As in the case of AN, all were eventually proven frauds.

[Tania]

[size=10]My Dear Annie,

Please ! There is no 'here we go again' period.

My question mark is in regards to this : My initial question was of course responded to you in regards to the spelling of dauphin. At my age 63, if in my schooling I had not learned about the Dauphin, then that would have been deplorable. You do not have to 'explain' it further to me. I am somewhat educated....

Further, I know who and what a Dauphin is, and how to spell it, I was just thrown as to how you had  spelled dauphin, and saw that it was the first time it had been brought up in any part of the thread.

Secondly, you brought it up, nobody else did, to my understanding in looking over the threads. Then I saw this morning that a thread had been revived by you, stating that it needed bumping up, as someone had made inquiry about it. I did not see that anyone else had, and so my question in full regarding all.

That's all, pure and simple, no hidden agenda, or issue.  

Tatiana+[/size]

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I answered you on the other thread, here goes again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVII_of_France

"Dauphin" was a term like 'tsarevich' or 'crown prince' meaning heir to the throne. The young son of Marie Antionette and Louis XVI was taken away as a small child, of only 4, held prisoner and treated badly. He was said to have died at age 10, but for many years claimants came forward pretending to be him. As in the case of AN, all were eventually proven frauds.

[Robert_Hall]

Madame Royale was "exchanged" for French prisoners and  went to her Austrian relatives. Later, she married her first cousin, Duc d'Alencon, younger son of her uncle, Charles X, king of France after the restoration.  After the assasination of the older brother,  Alecon became king very briefly. So, Madame Royale, to legititimistes, was Queen of France- for about 20 minutes. She later died in exile, peacefully.

[OlgaNRomanovaFan]

One thing that struck me after reading The Lost King of France by Deborah Cadbury was just how manipulative some of the pretenders were. One wrote to Madame Royal several times berating her for refusing to meet her 'brother.' It seems cruel to exploite her past, somthing she never recovered from, in such a way.

[Annie]

One thing that struck me after reading The Lost King of France by Deborah Cadbury was just how manipulative some of the pretenders were. One wrote to Madame Royal several times berating her for refusing to meet her 'brother.' It seems cruel to exploite her past, somthing she never recovered from in such a way.

Oh how sad. That's a horrible way to treat someone who's experienced such tragedy. Just like the claimants did to poor Olga A.

[David_Pritchard]

Let's not forget about Pugachev pretending to be Peter III and the False Dmitry.  

Dear RichC,

Pugachev only pretended to be Peter III not Dmitry. There were a number of false Dmitrys but they all lived long before the birth of Pugachev.

David

[David_Pritchard]

"Dauphin" was a term like 'tsarevich' or 'crown prince' meaning heir to the throne. The young son of Marie Antionette and Louis XVI was taken away as a small child, of only 4, held prisoner and treated badly. He was said to have died at age 10, but for many years claimants came forward pretending to be him. As in the case of AN, all were eventually proven frauds.

Dauphin is the Langue d'Oc (the southern dialect of French) word for dolphin. The title Dauphin was used by the feudal lord of the Dauphiné, a former French province that now encompases the modern southeastern French Departments of Isère, Drôme and Hautes-Alpes. To see the coat-of-arms of the Dauphin see this link and scroll down to the shield with the dolphin: http://vial.jean.free.fr/new_npi/revues_npi/9_1999/npi0999/9_livree2.htm

David

[Annie]

That's very interesting, thanks! I thought the name had something to do with dolphins.

While I have always been interested in British and Russian royalty, I've never researched much on the French, but now I will.

[David_Pritchard]

I was thinking about the title of this thread, Anna Anderson, and the Dauphin pretenders and realised that there were many similar titles to explore:

Anna Anderson and the Temple of Fools; Anna Anderson and the Burning Lie; Anna Anderson and the Elusive Treasure; Anna Anderson and the Hoodwinked Historian; Anna Anderson and the Quest for Gold; Anna Anderson and the Crusade for the Crown and finally Anna Anderson and the Mask of Delusion.

Just some random thoughts on a very tired topic.

David