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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 2
« Reply #510 on: January 02, 2014, 02:59:46 AM »
They also don't deserve inaccuracy.

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« Reply #511 on: January 02, 2014, 09:10:24 AM »
Poor Olga had had enough of inaccuracy in her life. According to her biography, pretty much everything she read about her brother and his family was false to some degree.

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« Reply #512 on: January 02, 2014, 05:52:56 PM »
The Grand Duchess and her husband met Helen Hayes, privately, in Toronto in 1958, not long before Colonel Kulikovsky passed away. I do not know what her reaction to the film was overall, but she did praise Ms. Hayes for her uncannily accurate portrayal of the Dowager Empress, as did many others who knew her,most especially Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mother) who was herself, a mere few months older than Ms. Hayes.
Aside from the incredibly similar appearance and stature, the actress also naturally adopted Empress Marie's posture and demeanour with uncanny accuracy.
I know there are photos of that event, but I am not certain if the two of them appear together in any? If so, I shall post them.
Do consider also that although Grand Duchess Olga was not interviewed for background info for that film, other family members were, and thusly influenced the scriptwriters to make the story more of an epilogue (ie:, not reenacting the gory preamble) in deference to, the then numerous still living family members, which is how it did play out in the final production. And other than the fictitious "presentation" parties in the film, the "vetting" process of the apparent Anastasia was also quite accurate.

On an interesting aside, Hayes involvement in this film led to her great interest in Russian history, and  later in life, Helen Hayes met & befriended Princess Vera Konstantinovna of Russia, who was living in retirement in near by Valley Farm, not far from her own home in Nyack, NY, just outside of New York City.

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« Reply #513 on: January 03, 2014, 03:09:16 AM »
Interesting. Did the Queen Mother meet Marie Feodorovna? If so, it must have been after her marriage in 1923.

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« Reply #514 on: January 03, 2014, 08:10:26 AM »
The Grand Duchess and her husband met Helen Hayes, privately, in Toronto in 1958, not long before Colonel Kulikovsky passed away. I do not know what her reaction to the film was overall, but she did praise Ms. Hayes for her uncannily accurate portrayal of the Dowager Empress, as did many others who knew her,most especially Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mother) who was herself, a mere few months older than Ms. Hayes.
Aside from the incredibly similar appearance and stature, the actress also naturally adopted Empress Marie's posture and demeanour with uncanny accuracy.
I know there are photos of that event, but I am not certain if the two of them appear together in any? If so, I shall post them.
Do consider also that although Grand Duchess Olga was not interviewed for background info for that film, other family members were, and thusly influenced the scriptwriters to make the story more of an epilogue (ie:, not reenacting the gory preamble) in deference to, the then numerous still living family members, which is how it did play out in the final production. And other than the fictitious "presentation" parties in the film, the "vetting" process of the apparent Anastasia was also quite accurate.

On an interesting aside, Hayes involvement in this film led to her great interest in Russian history, and  later in life, Helen Hayes met & befriended Princess Vera Konstantinovna of Russia, who was living in retirement in near by Valley Farm, not far from her own home in Nyack, NY, just outside of New York City.

I didn't know that. Is that documented anywhere?

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« Reply #515 on: January 03, 2014, 09:50:39 AM »
History Fan wrote: "I didn't know that. Is that documented anywhere?"

With all due respect to your learned seniority of all themes imperial, I believe that I just DID "document" the items noted in my last post. ;-)

And to Kalafrana: I do not know the timing of that one? 
It is completely viable that Lady Elizabeth Bowes Lyons might have met such an august personage prior to her regal marriage?
 
In any event, I will guess that either History Fan or Eric Lowe will be confirming this for us shortly.
(Although from the latter with perhaps a somewhat more... abstract veracity  :)

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« Reply #516 on: January 03, 2014, 10:11:47 AM »
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"Poor Olga had had enough of inaccuracy in her life. According to her biography, pretty much everything she read about her brother and his family was false to some degree."

I will concur with HistoryFan completely on this one.
 Other than "The Last Grand Duchess" by Vorres, pretty much everything (including many recent works) is rife with inaccuracies.

I may have mentioned here a few years ago that I have a marked up revision proof of the pre press draft for this book.
There are few stroke outs, and merely a lot of addenda by those privy to the events mentioned, to colour in and expand upon HIH's recollections.

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« Reply #517 on: January 03, 2014, 10:40:17 AM »
'It is completely viable that Lady Elizabeth Bowes Lyons might have met such an august personage prior to her regal marriage?'

I don't know. Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (correct spelling) was certainly moving in London society in the period 1919-23, but I think it more likely that any meeting with the Dowager Empress would have been after her marriage. Did Marie F attend Queen Alexandra's funeral? That would have been a logical occasion for them to meet. Alternatively, did the Duke and Duchess of York visit Denmark?

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 2
« Reply #518 on: January 03, 2014, 11:20:27 AM »
'It is completely viable that Lady Elizabeth Bowes Lyons might have met such an august personage prior to her regal marriage?'

I don't know. Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (correct spelling) was certainly moving in London society in the period 1919-23, but I think it more likely that any meeting with the Dowager Empress would have been after her marriage. Did Marie F attend Queen Alexandra's funeral? That would have been a logical occasion for them to meet. Alternatively, did the Duke and Duchess of York visit Denmark?

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Empress Marie didn't attend Queen Alexandra's funeral. As for Lady Elizabeth they did met with MF, the Empress mentioned this in her diary - I can't say exactly the date, need to look through the text of the diaries.

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« Reply #519 on: January 03, 2014, 11:48:40 AM »
Thanks Svetabel for confirming that.
I never knew how, when or where, the late Queen Mother might have experienced the Dowager Empress' persona to have elicited her kudos of Ms Hayes accurate portrayal of her regal relation in that film.

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« Reply #520 on: January 03, 2014, 11:57:19 AM »
History Fan wrote: "I didn't know that. Is that documented anywhere?"

With all due respect to your learned seniority of all themes imperial, I believe that I just DID "document" the items noted in my last post. ;-)


Sorry. : ) I meant anywhere else.

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« Reply #521 on: January 03, 2014, 12:27:39 PM »
I do not think it would be documented anywhere else, if at all, unless some other forum member was in attendance at that same picnic, and/or dinner, and/or ball, and happened to note it in this forum.
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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 2
« Reply #522 on: January 03, 2014, 04:24:28 PM »
'It is completely viable that Lady Elizabeth Bowes Lyons might have met such an august personage prior to her regal marriage?'

I don't know. Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (correct spelling) was certainly moving in London society in the period 1919-23, but I think it more likely that any meeting with the Dowager Empress would have been after her marriage. Did Marie F attend Queen Alexandra's funeral? That would have been a logical occasion for them to meet. Alternatively, did the Duke and Duchess of York visit Denmark?

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I believe that the Dowager Empress attended her wedding. If it wasn't hers, it was Princess Mary's--and Elizabeth was an attendant in that one.
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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 2
« Reply #523 on: January 03, 2014, 06:25:58 PM »
History Fan wrote: "I didn't know that. Is that documented anywhere?"

With all due respect to your learned seniority of all themes imperial, I believe that I just DID "document" the items noted in my last post. ;-)

And to Kalafrana: I do not know the timing of that one? 
It is completely viable that Lady Elizabeth Bowes Lyons might have met such an august personage prior to her regal marriage?
 
In any event, I will guess that either History Fan or Eric Lowe will be confirming this for us shortly.
(Although from the latter with perhaps a somewhat more... abstract veracity  :)

I'm not sure why I deserve such snide remarks. In no way do I mean to imply I have any sort of "learned seniority" of anything, regardless of theme. I'm simply an admirer of the Grand Duchess.

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Re: Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna, discussion and pictures Part 2
« Reply #524 on: January 03, 2014, 08:41:23 PM »

   
"I didn't know that. Is that documented anywhere?" actually DID imply a learned superiority as if you were in complete doubt of it because as YOU were not aware of it, then the info might be of dubious provenance.

It was not my intent to be snide, as I am sure yours was not to appear all-knowing. Perhaps they were merely unconscious traits of us Kniazes. lol

In any event, you now have your references along with some original source material, and should I unearth them, maybe some photographic proof.