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Rumored Illegitimate Children of Sissi
« on: June 28, 2007, 05:43:00 PM »
Caroline Kaiser-Kuhnelt of Vienna, known as Countess Zanardi-Landi, pretended to be Sissi's daughter...

Who was she?

Do you know her? Have ypu pictures about her?

Thank you very much!

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2007, 08:56:06 AM »

In her book "The secret of an Empress" (London 1914), Caroline Zanardi Landi claimed to be the daughter of Empress Elisabeth. She stated that Elisabeth gave birth to her during her stay in Sassetot and that Elisabeth’s indisposition was covered up or camouflaged by a riding accident. The author of the above-mentioned 365 page book did not even bother to find out the exact year that the Empress was in Sassetot, as she was born in 1882 while the year of Elisabeth’s one and only stay in Sassetot was 1875. There were numerous witnesses to the Empresses’ riding accident in Sassetot in 1975. (From “Elisabeth , die seltsame Frau” by Egon Caesar Conte Corti, condensed and translated by me)
 
Caroline Kaiser (1882-1935) was married to Richard Kühnelt, with whom she had two or three children. She later married Count Carlo Zanardi Landi (1876-1953). One of the children of the first marriage, Elisabeth (1904-1978), was an actress in Hollywood and used the stage name of Elissa Landi.  Marie Countess Larisch had contact with Elissa Landi, who is mentioned in the Brigitte Sokop’s book "Jene Gräfin Larisch".

I find Caroline Kaiser-Kühnelt-Zanardi Landi’s claim difficult (indeed impossible) to believe. I am not aware of who the father is suppose to have been. However, several people have commented that the daughter, Elissa Landi, bears a striking resemblance to Empress Elisabeth. I think there are photos of her on the internet. Perhaps that is what convinced her mother (Caroline) to make such a claim.

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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2007, 12:14:30 PM »
I think, that story of countess Zanardi-Landi is pure flight of imagination. Between Elisabeth's visit in Sassetout and this lady's birth are 7 years. And her fantasy went so far that she told that she wasn't illegitimate, but a daughter of the Emperor.
Reason why her birth was kept in secret was, that Sisi wanted to bring her up far from influence of the Court.
This information you can find in book  'The lonely Empress, Elisabeth of Austria' by Joan Haslip.
What do you mean? Isn't it nonsence? ::)

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2007, 02:09:54 PM »
I also find unbelievable the story of Caroline Zanardi-Landi. Her daughter Elissa was a beautiful woman, but I don´t see the great ressemblance with empress Elisabeth...

Two pictures of Elissa:






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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2007, 03:00:20 PM »
Yseult, I cannot see the photos. They do not appear on my computer. I wonder why?

Another point that makes it difficult to believe that Elisabeth could be the mother of Caroline Zanardi-Landi is her age. The empress would have been almost 45 years old at the time of the alleged birth.

Thanks Princess Susan! I had no idea that she claimed Franz-Joseph was her father.  A load of nonsense in my opinion.

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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2007, 03:16:00 PM »
Yseult, I cannot see the photos. They do not appear on my computer. I wonder why?

Another point that makes it difficult to believe that Elisabeth could be the mother of Caroline Zanardi-Landi is her age. The empress would have been almost 45 years old at the time of the alleged birth.

Thanks Princess Susan! I had no idea that she claimed Franz-Joseph was her father.  A load of nonsense in my opinion.

So sorry, Greenowl. I´ll try it again:





By the way...many women can give birth to a child when they reached their forties...my own mother is a proof of this!...but the story of Caroline is truly a complete nonsense. I can forget for a while the dates question...but the most crazy thing is to suggest her father was the emperor. Sissi had not a reason to give birth in deep secret a baby fathered by her imperial husband.


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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2007, 04:12:44 PM »
Have you ever seen photos of Caroline Zanardi Landi the "Illégitimate daughter" of Sissi ?

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2007, 06:34:05 PM »
Kaiserin Sissi, there is another thread on this topic, entitled "Caroline Kaiser-Kuhnelt of Vienna, known as Countess Zanardi-Landi... Sissi's daughter?". Maybe the two threads could be linked? In answer to your question, I have never seen a photo of Caroline Zanardi Landi, only of HER daughter, the actress Elissa Landi.

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2007, 09:17:07 AM »
How utterly ridiculous. Next some joker will be claiming there is an illegitimate child of Queen Elizabeth II. When will these pathetic individuals cease their delusions?

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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2007, 11:37:18 PM »
Kaiserin Elisabeth never had an illegitimate daughter. She did though have three legitimate daughters, one who died as a little child and of course Gisela and Marie-Valerie.

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2007, 07:55:50 AM »
Go and read the book:  "The Secret of an Empress"... :-X

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2007, 08:33:55 AM »
sounds like a work of fiction

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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2007, 10:38:20 AM »
As I say - GO READ THE BOOK...
   
The Secret of an Empress by Countess Zanardi Landi.  Do an Amazon.com search.
 
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Rumored Illegitimate Children of Sissi
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2007, 06:39:25 AM »
As I say - GO READ THE BOOK...
   
The Secret of an Empress by Countess Zanardi Landi.  Do an Amazon.com search.
 

No I won't,it is an utterly rediculous claim,not worth the time.At all.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2007, 11:26:40 AM »
What a load of nonsense. If you want to know something about Sissi read 'The Lonely Empress' by Joan Haslip. That at least is respected and well research fact and not ridiculous fiction.