AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?

[AGRBear]

Show me the resemblance with photographs which haven't been distorted, please.

AGRBear

PS Note 28 March 2005:  When I mentioned distortion, it was because I don't recall seeing a photo which can be matched between FS and AA.  I probably shouldn't have said what I said as I said it.  Because, I didn't mean to imply the people in the tv show had distorted the images.  The man on the series, I assume, used the photos which he was given.  Later on in this thread, I am trying to discover what photographs of AA and FS [copy of the original one known photo or those copies which appear to have been changed]  were used in the tv show.  This note is to clarifiy my position.

PSS The tv program can be found under the title:  Anastasia, Dead or Alive.  It was a Nova production.

[AGRBear]

I have seen photographs of a television show series where someone was trying to prove a match between AA and FS.  

It is my oppinion that manipulated photographs is very easy to do because one can turn a face into another face with ease if that is what they wished to do.

I'd like to see the originals of both before I can make any kind of opinion one way or the other.

This has nothing to do with what Helen as provided us.  It has to do with what the program provided.

AGRBear

[jeremygaleaz]

I have seen photographs of a television show series where someone was trying to prove a match between AA and FS.  

It is my oppinion that manipulated photographs is very easy to do because one can turn a face into another face with ease if that is what they wished to do.

I'd like to see the originals of both before I can make any kind of opinion one way or the other.

This has nothing to do with what Helen as provided us.  It has to do with what the program provided.

AGRBear

Bear, what sort of manipulation do you think occured here? (Beyond the obvious of turning what photos red and green so the audience could tell the difference between the two photos. The photo of FS was a full body photo originally. The head was enlarged (which would explain why features aren't as clear) and perhaps   FS's head was slightly tilted , (and, last time I checked, most humans can tilt their head) in order to match perfectly with that of AA.

So, what manipulation?

And, I'm quite sure you've seen the originals-on many occasions!

[Kransnoeselo]

    I think it should be duly noted that the photo of Franziska had been altered to look like Anna. This is well documented.  Im not surprised in the least that they match. It was said the china white used on the face was so thick that it was crusted.  

    If anyone were to compare a photo of AA and a retouched photo of Anastasia and say "Look they match perfectly" no one would believe it.  Thus, I cannot believe this is a credible piece of evidence.

Tim

[helenazar]

   I think it should be duly noted that the photo of Franziska had been altered to look like Anna. This is well documented.  

Tim, do you know who retouched this photo and when? As far as I know, and even accroding to Peter Kurth's site, this version was not the retouched one, although a retouched version does exist - the retouching was done to clarify the features a bit - not to change them at all. And there is a third version which is an artist's sketch which really looks nothing like AA at all. All three versions are posted on one of these AA threads, I think it is on "Reasons other than DNA".

Does anyone know where this original photo of FS came from? Was it given to someone by a family member? I don't think this was ever mentioned before, or else I missed it.

[jeremygaleaz]

   I think it should be duly noted that the photo of Franziska had been altered to look like Anna. This is well documented.  Im not surprised in the least that they match. It was said the china white used on the face was so thick that it was crusted.  


Tim

How would china white alter the distance between the two eyes and distance of the mouth?
Besides which, this is from the original photograph of FS, (and I don't think the retouched photo was doctored to heighten resemblence, only to make the features clearer)

All of which is beside the point, the distance between the eyes and mouth, as well as the shape of the mouth , is the same in both the original and "retouched" pictures of FS as well as the photo of AA.  

[AGRBear]

I can see none of you are readers of mystery.  

Let me explain.  Photographs are easily "doctored"  [please see note which corrects what I should have said] ***_____
Nor, does it seem that any of you are aware of photography and what can be done in processing the film.

Today, there are even simple software for drawing and photographs that can turn a human face into a face of a lion which is the same kind of software used for movies these days.

From what I understand there no longer is a "original" portrait of FS.

There are many photographs of AA who was making every effort to look like GD Anastasia.  

AGRBear

****  What I wrote above was not what I meant to say:
I said >>Photographs are easily "doctored" and in this case, that is what appears to be occuring.<<

 I should have said "In this case, I'd like to see the originals so I can see for myself that this didn't happen."  I apologize for sounding as if I was accusing someone of wrong doing.  :-/  Sorry.  

[jeremygaleaz]

I can see none of you are readers of mystery.  

Let me explain.  Photographs are easily "doctored" and in this case, that is what appears to be occuring.  Of course, that is my opinion, because I don't know the person who has accomplished this for the tv show.

Nor, does it seem that any of you are aware of photography and what can be done in processing the film.

Today, there are even simple software for drawing and photographs that can turn a human face into a face of a lion which is the same kind of software used for movies these days.

From what I understand there no longer is a "original" portrait of FS.

There are many photographs of AA who was making every effort to look like GD Anastasia.  

AGRBear

Hi Bear

This probably isn't going to work... but why don't you go and measure the distance between the two eyes and the mouth yourself? Are you suggesting the people on the TV took a great risk to their proffesional reputation and altered the distance in order to get positive results? How do you feel a manipulation occured?

But, back to one of Helen's earlier posts

photographic evidence + DNA = very convincing

photographic evidence-DNA = not very convincing

And that's it!

P.S. Yes, there is an original, non retouched photograph of FS. I guess they used that in order to avoid talk of photo manipulation/doctoring. But I guess that didn't work!

[AGRBear]

I'd like to see the original photographs of AA used and the original photographs of FS used.  Then I'd like to see themside by side.  Is there any on any of the threads?  And, I'd like to know the source of where these were copied.

From all the photographs I've seen, I don't recall any of them which could be used to show what Helen has so generously provided from the tv show.

AGRBear

[jeremygaleaz]

I'd like to see the original photographs of AA used and the original photographs of FS used.  Then I'd like to see themside by side.  Is there any on any of the threads?  And, I'd like to know the source of where these were copied.

From all the photographs I've seen, I don't recall any of them which could be used to show what Helen has so generously provided from the tv show.

AGRBear

These are  original photographs!

Bear, why don't you do some research on how these tests were done? If I find more detailed info, I'll post it.

However, I get the impression you must see a strong resemblence, or else we wouldn't even be talking about this

[rskkiya]

Bear
   I don't see how the images have been "altered"- but if they had been -- then who "altered" them?(Conspiracy?)
  I get the impression that you don't trust anyone about this point.  Can you find any unaltered images to compare?

rskkiya

[AGRBear]

Sometimes, trying to get sources is like pulling teeth.

I'd like to see the original photographs of AA used and the original photographs of FS used.  Then I'd like to see themside by side.  Is there any on any of the threads?  And, I'd like to know the source of where these were copied.

From all the photographs I've seen, I don't recall any of them which could be used to show what Helen has so generously provided from the tv show.

AGRBear

What I see are images from a television show.

I'm just trying to discover what photographs they used.  

Simple request.

AGRBear

[helenazar]

Helen, where did you get his particular photo which you copied?
 

Bear, look on Peter Kurth's AA site, I believe that both photos are there - in their original form. Just scroll down and look for them, they should be there....

http://www.peterkurth.com/ANNA-ANASTASIA%20NOTES%20ON%20FRANZISKA%20SCHANZKOWSKA.htm

[Annie]

Bear
    I don't see how the images have been "altered"- but if they had been -- then who "altered" them?(Conspiracy?)
   I get the impression that you don't trust anyone about this point.  Can you find any unaltered images to compare?

rskkiya

I agree, there seems to be a conspiracy for everything here. The intestines were switched, the bodies were switched with the bodies of George's alleged bastard children, and now the pics are altered? When will it all end!?

[AGRBear]

If asking for two photographs, one of FS and one of AA which were used on the tv show,  is being part of a conspiracy then I guess I'm guilty along with other conpirators looking for the truth.   You got me, Annie!


Meanwhile,  I'll go over to the Kurth thread and take another look.

AGRBear

PS

[On left]  This is FS.  Is this from the original or the copy shown as from a book 1929?:
  [AA on right]

I don't see any  photographs of AA's which can be used from Kurths that can be used to transpose over FS's photo. This is the only one I see, at the moment, that comes close to a photo which anyone could have used.  So, it's obviously not the right one.  Could someone please provide us with the correct one used.
Thank you.