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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #480 on: January 27, 2006, 01:24:58 PM »
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I think she failed to notice the quotes around the word orginal....


While you are worried about quote marks,  you failed to understand the words.   Let me repeat,  there is no original photo of FS visible to the public at this time.

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There is just no evidence that the photograph has been retouched. People may have heard the photograph has been retouched...but of course, second hand gossip can't be taken as fact!


I believe the German courts so states there is no known photo which has not been retouched.

Penny and Greg have so stated that there is no known photo available to see at this time.

All photographs are from copies of copies of copies,  all of which are copies of a photo/photos which were retouched.

Do we know to what extent the copies have been retouched.  No.  Why?  Because we do not have a photo upon which we can use because we do not know the degree any of the copies were made from photos that were retouched.

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And it stands that Gertrude had no problem recognizing the photo as that of her sister.


It is thought she believed there was a resemblance of AA to her sister.  But this is the subjective part of the discussion.  For example,  Annie use to see the photos of AA and GD Anastasia as being the same person.  Now,  Annie thinks AA looks like FS.
I don't think AA looks like GD Anastasia or  FS.

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Unless Bear is arguing that the photograph really isn't of FS? That's it, isn't it?

Ignore...ignore...ignore.... ::)  



Hmmmmmmm,  I have never suggested this,  but, now, that you have,  I guess we don't know if the retouched photograph of FS is actually FS.  Why?  I guess we can use the same reasoning,  we don't know, because, we don't have the original photograph or untouched copies presented so we can compare.

Remember,  I didn't come up with this suggestion.

I am assuming that the similiarities of FS and AA are close enough to make a brother ponder but deside AA was not his sister and a highly emotional sister to be in error for a moment or two which created the outburst in the police station.  

Were the changes made to make FS to look more like GD Anastasia or to look more like AA???  That is the real question.  One  which no one knows until some evidence springs out of somewhere and onto this forum.

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #481 on: January 27, 2006, 04:04:07 PM »
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Don't forget, Eddieboy, that all official photos of members of the Imperial Family were retouched to make them look their very, very best. Check out other pictures of Anastasia, and you will see that she was not particularly beautiful after all.
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They were touched up for  skin blemishes like high school portraits are today, but their features were not changed!

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« Reply #482 on: January 27, 2006, 04:15:19 PM »
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They were touched up for  skin blemishes like high school portraits are today, but their features were not changed!


And who says anything about changing features??
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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #483 on: January 28, 2006, 08:12:10 AM »
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Don't forget, Eddieboy, that all official photos of members of the Imperial Family were retouched to make them look their very, very best. Check out other pictures of Anastasia, and you will see that she was not particularly beautiful after all.
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Thank you but I don't believe every photo of the IF was touched up, I can believe it that Alexandra wanted to have her chin touched up etc.

Also they were a very beautiful family, I can't believe any one thinking they weren't, they were stunning!!  :) :)

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #484 on: January 28, 2006, 09:59:58 AM »
Someone else claimed the pics were spiffed up, I've never heard that. All I'm saying is, IF they were, it was only for skin blemishes like a senior portrait gets rid of the zits. No one changed the features. And if the features were not changed, why would it even be a factor to bring up?

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« Reply #485 on: February 02, 2006, 03:43:50 PM »
They certainly are gorgeous pictures.  Makes me hate the Reds even more thinking of what they did to most of the buildings...
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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #486 on: March 03, 2006, 04:34:18 PM »
Sigh, I'm such a glutton for punishment. I'm coming back onto the proverbial court and playing.

How is it that people cannot see the resemblance between FS and AA?





I understand that it's subjective but look at the distance between the eyebrows, the distance between the nose and the mouth, the angle of the eyebrows, the position of the part in the hair. The FS photo is of very poor quality but these attributes are visible.

Even if you can't see these similarities, you can surely see that she looks nothing like Anastasia. AN had very fine features, and AA does not. AA has very thick lips while AN had very thin ones, and AFAIK, collagen injections weren't available in the 1920s and 30s.

If you're going to argue with me, I ask that you please address the difference in lips between AN and AA.

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #487 on: March 05, 2006, 11:21:22 AM »
This thread should not be confused with the discussion on AA and GD Anastasia .  This thread is just about FS and AA and their photographic comparisons.

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #488 on: March 05, 2006, 04:08:09 PM »
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This thread should not be confused with the discussion on AA and GD Anastasia .  This thread is just about FS and AA and their photographic comparisons.

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Er, I know AGRBear, I started this thread.

But I feel the FS/AA comparison logically spills over into a AA/AN comparison. The topics are closely related.

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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #489 on: March 06, 2006, 04:46:06 PM »
Okay.


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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #490 on: December 27, 2006, 11:14:02 AM »
Hi everyone

I haven't posted here for a long time, but I was thinking about this a while ago and thought it warranted a thread.

I've noticed that even a very short space of time, Anna Anderson's appearance changed radically, for example, in the first photos we have of her, she has very large eyes whereas in others she has very thin eyes and stuff. I have heard that she deliberately tried to change her appearance for the first ID photos, screwing up her eyes and stuff, it's just that she looks so very diffirent in all of them.

Here's some photos so maybe you can see what I mean:

Anna Anderson 1920:



Anna Anderson 1922:



Anna Anderson 1929:



Does anyone know any other reasons for why she looks so diffirent in all her photos, especially when comparing those taken at Dalldorf and earlier to those taken afterwards.

I'd appreciate it if people could take the topic seriously, and not suggest things like she was a morphing alien!

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Rachael


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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #491 on: December 27, 2006, 12:33:02 PM »
I really think she tried her best to look more like AN in the later pics, even posing certain ways in certain lighting and biting her thick lips to give that illusion. In the 1920 pics, she was herself, she hadn't started pretending to be Anastasia yet, so she didn't have to fake anything. Also I believe her supporters manipulated her looks in some of the pics to make her look more like AN. But in reality, if she had been AN, she would have looked most like Anastasia in the 1920 pics. There really isn't any resemblance between those and the teenage girl we last saw pictures of in captivity. There would have been only a year of time passed between Anastasia's 'disappearance' and AA's emergence. Those 1920 pics look nothing like her, or any eighteen year old girl (which AN would have been at the time, FS was five years older) for that matter.

Another thing that affected her looks was the TB of the bones that she had. It made her more frail and sickly looking as time went on.
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« Reply #492 on: December 27, 2006, 10:18:39 PM »
Anna Anderson had originally claimed to be Tatiana, I think... can't figure out why she didn't stick to it, because they look alot more alike.

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« Reply #493 on: December 28, 2006, 12:31:43 PM »
Yes, she did. While some of her avid supporters will cry no she didn't, she technically did, because the other mental patient said she was Tatiana and she never denied it. She let people come to see her thinking she might be Tatiana. Then when they pronounced her a fake she said "I never said I was Tatiana". Then somebody gave her a paper with all of OTMA's names on it and she x'd out all but Anastasia (interestingly enough, the only one of her height, after being called 'too short to be Tatiana' by Baroness Buxhoevedon. Coincidence? I think not.) And you're right, she does look more like Tatiana.

To me the most damning thing about her is that she never even mentioned OTMA or pretended to be anyone until the other mental patient showed her the magazine and gave her the idea. It was a good game for somebody trying to escape their own identity (and what must have been a very miserable life as FS, since she had just attempted suicide.)
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Re: AA/FS Photo Comparison - Similarities: What is Wrong With AA Being FS?
« Reply #494 on: December 28, 2006, 12:36:04 PM »
There would have been only a year of time passed between Anastasia's 'disappearance' and AA's emergence.

This should have read 'year and a half.' (From July 1918 to Feb. 1920) I thought I had typed that, just noticed I didn't.