Re: Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York Pt II

[Grace]

The sooner they all get past this recent episode of Sarah's indiscretion, the better.  We still don't know of Andrew's suspected involvement and may never know.

 That being the case, the Queen needs to act in a kindly manner towards her daughter in law...divorced or not.

Sorry to be on your case again, Douglas, you are obviously a very kind-hearted soul, but what evidence do you have that the Queen DOESN'T act in a kindly manner towards her FORMER daughter-in-law (you seem to keep missing the point that they are divorced).  Does she have to write out a massive cheque every time Sarah bleats out that she's broke again?  Frankly, I couldn't imagine the Queen treating Sarah with anything but respect and in fact Sarah herself always speaks very well of Her Majesty.

[Constantinople]

And, Douglas, sorry to keep harping on this but this was not just an indiscretion.  That would apply to the pictures of a topless Sarah sucking the toes of a lover.  this was a major breach of trust, ethics with possible implications of criminality and possible treason.

[Douglas]

The sooner they all get past this recent episode of Sarah's indiscretion, the better.  We still don't know of Andrew's suspected involvement and may never know.

 That being the case, the Queen needs to act in a kindly manner towards her daughter in law...divorced or not.

Sorry to be on your case again, Douglas, you are obviously a very kind-hearted soul, but what evidence do you have that the Queen DOESN'T act in a kindly manner towards her FORMER daughter-in-law (you seem to keep missing the point that they are divorced).  Does she have to write out a massive cheque every time Sarah bleats out that she's broke again?  Frankly, I couldn't imagine the Queen treating Sarah with anything but respect and in fact Sarah herself always speaks very well of Her Majesty.

Greetings Grace:

I didn't ever say how the Queen would treat her.  We'll have to wait and see.  But the Queen does have a history of being rather forgiving of male members of the family whilst holding the females to a different and far higher measure.  She gets this from her mother who had a history of holding bitter life-long grudges against people that didn't measure up to her  standards.

I am well aware of Sarah's kindly attitude towards Her Majesty.  I hope this bodes well for both of their futures.

Just because they are divorced does not mean that Sarah is no longer the mother of two royal princesses.  Everyone seems to ignore that fact and project an attitude that it's irrelevant.

 Forum members here seem to reading into my posts that I am blind to Sarah's failings.  I am very aware of them but that does mean that the RF should throw her under the bus.

[Douglas]

I believe her descent from royalty was via two mistresses of kings, very similar to Camilla's. and the Montagu Scotts are a fine aristocratic family with a nice large isolated estate in remote Scotland. Perhaps if la Ferguson gets desperate enough and they feel some kinship, she can borrow one of the gatehouses and then she will be close enough for her daughters' visits to Balmoral.  Nice try Douglas but I am not buying any of that. This woman would bankrupt the Romanov's if they still had their possessiions.  And I had forgotten how Queen Elizabeth had paid off her £2 million in debts.  That by itself is a nice settlement.  Weep no tears for Ferguson just thank god she doesnt have access to the Royal (and that means public) purse and longer.

@Constantin....for some reason I get the feeling you feel that Sarah can't handle her finances.  ;-))

 Nevertheless,  Sarah does need someone to oversee her finances.  She and Andrew probably need to discuss these matters on a regular basis.  IMO, Sarah should not be in the position of ever having to work.  Her work with Weight Watchers was most inappropriate for someone in her position.   Writing books and charity work OK but WW...please, a disgrace!

 I know this thought drives a lot people totally bonkers but I feel she's already done her part in birthing and raising two royal daughters.

[Constantinople]

Douglas
       you are very intuitive about my feelings about Sarah Fergusons lack oc financial acumen.  And as for getting repaid for dropping two more princesses onto the earth, I am not sure what the rate for that is and as for her raising them, I can't remember that she has hactually spent much time at all with them.  They seem to holiday together when someone else foots the bill but
I can think there are a lot of nannies and servants who would get more credit for their upbringing.  They have probably spent more time with the Queen than with their mother.  And what kind of princesses has she produced?  the type who strip for Tatler magazine and lead colourful but non regal lilfestyles.  Does England particularly need more princesses? When they are cutting off Princess Michael from the royal feedbag, I would say that there is a surplus, wouldnt you ?
    I whole heartedly agree with you about Sarah not working however. i have a more economical idea however.  Ship her off to a nunnery.  They will help her with her finances, she can do some truly altruistic charity work and she can listen to confessions instead of making them.

[Lindelle]

Here..... this article is spot on in my opinion;
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/columnists/carolemalone/830392/Five-star-Fergie-trapped-by-greed.html

That article say's it all.

[Lindelle]

Sarah is not exactly a commoner.

 She is descended from both the Royal Stuart and Tudor houses. On her father's side, Sarah is a descendant of King Charles II of England via two of his sons, Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond, and James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth.

 She is a second great-granddaughter of William Montagu Douglas Scott, 6th Duke of Buccleuch and a great-granddaughter of Mervyn Wingfield, 8th Viscount Powerscourt. Her paternal grandmother was Marian Louisa Montagu Douglas Scott, a first cousin of Lady Alice Christabel Montagu Douglas Scott, who became, after her wedding to Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester and an aunt-by-marriage of Queen Elizabeth.

The divorce of Andrew and Sarah was a mutual agreement between them.   She hardly walked out on him....in fact they still live under the same roof.

I would expect the Queen to act in some way that is financially favorable for Sarah.  The Queen should be in touch with reality to the point of accepting the fact that her dear son Andy married the woman, they had two daughters and that Sarah, like it or not, is a part of the RF.  

The sooner they all get past this recent episode of Sarah's indiscretion, the better.  We still don't know of Andrew's suspected involvement and may never know.

 That being the case, the Queen needs to act in a kindly manner towards her daughter in law...divorced or not.

Dear Douglas,
I've been reading your posts with interest, because whilst you believe what you are saying is true, put yourself IN the Queen's shoes - monetary wise.
If it was your son you watched becoming hurt while he was away working and his wife (your daughter-in-law), was having her fling with another man, would you not be outraged?
And if it was your son who then let this heartless woman continue to live in YOUR home , would you not be outraged?
And then to have YOUR money given to this woman who has not only done the above to your son, but squandered every penny and bringing a bad name upon the family wouldn't it surely make you go bolistic?
The Queen is a mother as well so please don't forget that she doesn't have to pay for her EX-daughter-in-law's mistakes.
Sarah is no different to any other woman who is a divorcee.They are not a member of the family. If Sarah was, maybe the Queen would've invited her to the family christmas, but instead, all we read about is 'poor, sad, lonely Fergie banned from Christmas with the Royals'. Well she has her own blood family if she needs to go.

[timfromengland]

For a Royal Celeb like Sarah to play the media game , theres no end of money...
its amazing that she finds herself in  financial difficulty when you consider the millions
that have slipped through her fingers....
but the  money offers are endless...
go here
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/sarah-ferguson-declined-3m-sex-with-saudi-prince/story-e6frfmqi-1225873334721

[Constantinople]

Well she is obviously leaving a lot of stones left unturned.  At 3 million a pop and 150 princes, she could have net assets of 450 million in less than a year, equal to the Queen but the problem is that she would have problems holding onto even this and it would be gone by the end of the next year.
You can imagine the dinner conversations
'How is your dinner, brother'
'Fine could you pass the Fergie.'
'Î am not finished yet'
'Why not?'
'The price of oil is up'
'How is she?'
'My toes are so sore İ can't walk'
'Ahhhhhhh, finish soon my brother, finish soon'

[Kalafrana]

According to yesterday's Sunday Telegraph, Ms Ferguson got a perfectly respectable settlement at the time of the divorce - £500,000 to buy a house, £350,000 in cash without strings, a trust fund for the daughters, 'a modest monthly allowance', and the Duke to pay the school fees.

Obviously a good deal less than Diana got, but no confidentiality requirements, so she has been able to trade on her royal connections ever since.

So if this good lady had a modicum of financial sense she could have managed perfectly well.

Ann

[Constantinople]

İ have a contact who used to work in the ministry of finance in Kazakhstan.  İ asked him to let me know if any of his ex colleagues have heard any rumours about Prince Andrew.  The most likely way to make extra cash there (according to the contact)  is to figure out ways to circumvent laws forbidding foreign ownership of oil reserves.  Companies bribe officials and set up proxy companies to transfer ownership to a foreign entity and still appear to abide by the law.  The only possible form of corruption that İ can think of involving Prince Andrew might be assistance in expatriating financial assets from Kazhakstan.  As Prince Andrew has diplomatic immunity, this would not be difficult to do and that sort of exercise would involve multiples of millions of dollars, a payback involving the sale of hıs house to a grateful ercipient of that kind of help for £3 million over the market value would not be unduly high.  this is of course speculative and not based on any facts - pure hypothesis.  İf my Kazakh contact uncovers anything provable, you will know about it.

[ashdean]

According to yesterday's Sunday Telegraph, Ms Ferguson got a perfectly respectable settlement at the time of the divorce - £500,000 to buy a house, £350,000 in cash without strings, a trust fund for the daughters, 'a modest monthly allowance', and the Duke to pay the school fees.

Obviously a good deal less than Diana got, but no confidentiality requirements, so she has been able to trade on her royal connections ever since.

So if this good lady had a modicum of financial sense she could have managed perfectly well.

Ann

Added to the several million that was needed to pay off her existing debts she did very well....

[Kalafrana]

Bear in mind also that the maintenance will also be tax-free in her hands, so £15,000 per year would be quite enough to live on in modest comfort.

Ann

[Douglas]

Bear in mind also that the maintenance will also be tax-free in her hands, so £15,000 per year would be quite enough to live on in modest comfort.

Ann

 £15,000 per year is about $21,000.....beginning barbers, teachers aids, library clerks, bus boys, beginning mop janitors, pre-kindergarten teachers  make about this amount per year.   Modest comfort?   Not sure about that, dear.  

Maybe the catering steward at Buckingham Palace could send a lorry of leftovers from the royal banquets to help in her food pantry.

PS:  Any news from Kazhakstan, Constantin?  Or are their paper shredders running at regulo max.

[Constantinople]

No that will take quite a while.  But you surprise me Douglas or do you think corruption and illegal acts are ok if you have royal status?