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Princess Thyra's Illegitimate Daughter

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Ksenia:
Yes, in the programe 'a Royal Family', they talk, quite about the issue (this is were I first heard of it ). Alicky, I too want the DVD of it ! It was such a good series ! ;D

Nanny_Orchard:

Queen Alexandra and Empress Maria Feodorovna's sister, Princess Thyra of Denmark, gave birth to an illegitimate child in 1871. The child was named Maria but her name was changed to Kate after a couple named Jorgensen adopted her. Kate Jorgensen married a man named Frode Ployen-Holstein in 1902. She died in 1964.

Kate was fathered by Vilhelm Frimann Marcher. Though I don't speak Danish, I know enough German to guess that "Frimann" is a cognate of the German word "Freiherr," meaning Baron. Was Marcher a courtier at the Danish court? I also read somewhere that he may have committed suicide because he wasn't allowed to marry Thyra or raise his own child. Does anyone know if the suicide story is true?

It's astonishing that a sheltered, chaperoned 19th-century princess would give birth to a child out of wedlock. Although, to be sure, Thyra's wasn't a unique case: one of George III's daughters, Princess Sophia, had an illegitimate child. Also, there was a German princess, whose name escapes me at the moment, who was seduced by a footman and gave birth to a child. Most members of royalty shunned this princess, but Queen Victoria received her and treated her with compassion.

I would love to know more about Princess Thyra. I am amazed at the erudition displayed by the regulars on this board. Surely someone knows her story?

Was there a tremendous scandal at the time? Did she ever see her daughter after the adoption? Was Kate Jorgensen told who her birth parents were? Was Thyra received at the English and Russian courts, or was she persona non grata? I have often wondered about Thyra's marriage. She made a fairly good marriage (though it did not approach the illustriousness of Dagmar and Alexandra's matches) to Prince Ernst August of Hanover. Did he have to be bribed with an enormous dowry to persuade him to take this "tainted" princess to wife? Or did he love her enough to forgive her past?


Eurohistory:
Thyra's pregnancy was kept extremely quiet and within the family circle...to "recover from her illness," she and mother headed south to Italy I believe or Southern France, where the birth took place and all was arranged to erase memory of the love child.

I believe Bo Bramsen's excellent opus on the Glücksborgs, Huset Glücksborg , was the first time this love child was mentioned in a published book...priori to that it hd been a quiet family rumor, never talked about, bt known to many.

As for the Mecklenburg-Strelitz, one can only wish this had been addressed in the same manner for the sake of poor Duchess Marie, who was not only widely talked about, but thrown out by her own parents.  This scandal was better known when the Socialist press in Berlin got a hold of it...Marie later on married an infamous man, Count Jametel, by whom he had two children, and later divorced him.  her seonc husband was Prince Ernst Julius of Lippe, by whom she had a further two children.

Arturo Beéche

Nanny_Orchard:
Dear Arturo and Sarai,

Thank you both very much for sharing the additional information.

Arturo, you are completely right about the shabby treatment that was meted out to the Mecklenberg princess. It wasn't her fault. I've read that the seduction happened because a footman was assigned the task of extinguishing the candles in the palace bedchambers. That gave him entree into  all the bedrooms, even those occupied by unmarried girls. He used this access to take advantage of the naive Princess Marie, who during the daytime would never have been allowed to spend time unchaperoned in the compamy of a young man.

Thyra's parents handled the situation admirably. I'm still wondering if Kate Jorgensen had any knowledge of her birth and if she ever met Princess Thyra. And I'd like to know the circumstances of Thyra's marriage to the Hanover heir and how much the Hanovers were told about Thyra's indiscretion. Given the recent loss of their throne, you'd have thought they'd have preferred a princess of unblemished standing to bolster their efforts to get the throne back.

Marlene:

I believe Bo Bramsen's excellent opus on the Glücksborgs, Huset Glücksborg , was the first time this love child was mentioned in a published book...priori to that it hd been a quiet family rumor, never talked about, bt known to many.

Although Maria is rumored to the child, it has not been fully acknowleged that she was the one.  No one denies that Thyra had a child - and it was unlikely that she ever saw the child or had contact with the family.

.Marie later on married an infamous man, Count Jametel, by whom he had two children,

and Jametel was Infanta Eulalia's lover.

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