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Offline Gabriella

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Forgive me when there's already a thread about my topic, I foound none.

I already know that Nicholas II had a love-affair with the balletdancer Mathilda Kschessinska before marrying Alix. Afterwards she became the lover of two of his cousins. With Grandduke Andrei Vladimirovitch (son of Nicholas's uncle Vladimir & his aunt Miechen) she lived together andt hey had a son. I know that Miechen  was not aprroved about that relationship.

Waht about Nicholas? Was he approved of the relationship between Mathilda & Andrei?





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Re: Nicholas II & Matilda Kschessinska - her love affairs with his cousins
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2007, 04:07:04 PM »
bump

I have no idea, but I would also like to know.

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Re: Nicholas II & Matilda Kschessinska - her love affairs with his cousins
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2007, 10:32:43 PM »
There's a good book about Marie called Imperial Dancer by Coryne Hall.  Nicholas did remain friendly with her secretly after he married Alex and
helped her to some extent. 

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Re: Nicholas II & Matilda Kschessinska - her love affairs with his cousins
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2007, 07:20:56 AM »
historylover what do you mean!?

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Re: Nicholas II & Matilda Kschessinska - her love affairs with his cousins
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2007, 01:15:37 PM »
Are you sure historylover? There's another thread around that says that Mathilde wrote a letter to Alix when NA were engaged, hoping to sabbotage the engagment, and Nicholas got angry and never recieved her again.


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Re: Nicholas II & Matilda Kschessinska - her love affairs with his cousins
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2007, 03:14:28 PM »
In the book "Imperial Dancer" the author writes that Nicholas did become upset when he learned of Mathilde's letter to Alix but that he continued to offer his assistance for years afterwards, when she was in need of a 'favor'. It doesn't seem that they were able to maintain an open friendship but seemed to have stayed in touch through Grand Duke Sergei, Matilde's new protector.

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Re: Nicholas II & Matilda Kschessinska - her love affairs with his cousins
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2007, 05:40:19 AM »
i nheard that somethings in her books were false, but i don`t know where i heard it from or which book, but many books don`t really write the truth

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Re: Nicholas II & Matilda Kschessinska - her love affairs with his cousins
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2007, 04:37:56 PM »
I assume that she lived after the murder of the family, and was wondering if there are any books out which describe her feelings after finding out that the tsar died

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Re: Nicholas II & Matilda Kschessinska - her love affairs with his cousins
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2007, 04:48:25 PM »
I assume that she lived after the murder of the family, and was wondering if there are any books out which describe her feelings after finding out that the tsar died

She lived to be 99 and died in Paris in 1971.There is a book of Mathilde's memoirs called Dancing in Petersburg. I haven't read the book myself, but it is likely that it would contain the information you seek.

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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2007, 04:51:41 PM »
MK lived a long life. She died in 1971 I believe, at 99.

I can't help but feel that MK was a bit of a social climber, who used Nicholas a little. I've no doubt felt awful for Nicholas and family, (who wouldn't, who knew them personally?) but I don't think it was exactly life shattering for her. She did meet Anna Anderson, out of curiosity.

I would love to read Dancing in St Petersburg. Is it on the net anywhere?

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 04:59:32 PM »

I would love to read Dancing in St Petersburg. Is it on the net anywhere?


I don't believe so, but there is a new paperback copy available on abebooks for $13.94 US:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&tn=dancing+in+petersburg&x=0&y=0

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As far as Nicholas II's opinion of his cousins' affairs with MK, Nicholas would have disapproved of any grand duke's affair with any ballerina. He would have seen this as immoral. And, the fact is, the failure of so many of the male dynasts to marry equally made the family look bad. In retrospect, they would have been much better served by having the grand dukes marry who they wanted to marry rather than having so many affairs. Just my opinion.

As far as Kschenssinkskya goes, the situation was far more complex emotionally and practically for Nicholas than with anyone else. The tsar was a very moral person, and from what I have been told by his family, Nicholas and MK were both virgins when their affair began. Nicholas apparently felt very guilty about ending his affair with MK because he had (in his eyes) debauched an innocent. Therefore, Serge M's assuming responsibility for her was in many ways a relief for the Emeror's guiilty conscience.

MK was probably aware of HIM's guilt and played the situation to her advantage as much as she could. She likely got many special favors from Nicholas either directly or indirectly through Serge or Andrei.

And, not being received (which would have been unlikely for a member of the ballet and the sovereign anyway) did not mean he didn't see her. "Being received" was a formal situation about which records would have been kept by the very formal Imperial court. But, NIcholas regularly attended performances of the Imperial ballet, and it was "usual" for highly placed ballet patrons to socialize after performances with members of the ballet company. He probably saw her perform and there is every chance he spoke to her at such occassions - from time to time over the years.

As an example, MK was scheduled to perform at Nicholas' request at his Coronation. I can't recall how that little tempest resolved itself, but AF had a hissy fit over that one.

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MK wrote a letter to Alix?

What a ....!  >:(

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MK wrote a letter to Alix?

What a ....!  >:(


And why not? MK was his lover at the time. Are her feelings any less important because she wasn't royalty? I don't agree with what she did, by the way, but she was a human being and is as deserving of consideration as anyone else.

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Is that what MK had expressed in her letter?